How Puntland Should Deal With The SFG

DR OSMAN

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The PL government keeps saying we demand better working relationship with the SFG and constantly complains about PL not recieving it's fair-share of international aid, scholarships, etc. It also not pleased with not being consulted about SFG direction, ministry nominations and parliamentary bills being passed without any PL involvement.

I urge President Deni be the first president who stops complaining and relying on the SFG to change. These complaints have been on-going since 2009 and nothing has changed.

I urge President Deni that he comes with a Plan B. Plan B is what PL will do if the SFG doesn't comply and 'changes kastumo'. Make HSM sign that PL will exercise it's independent status and will be recognized by the SFG for a 99 year treaty and every 25 years PL/SFG will conduct 'federal union reviews' .

We should execute that Plan B immediately when the SFG plays the 'two face' game and at least now PL has got it's independence for 99 years and we can convince the international community, we are still on-board for federalism and will be doing federal union reviews every 25 years with the south, but for the time being, both parties believe this is the best long-term solution.
 

DR OSMAN

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I always find it amusing when reading Somali agreements, there is never a 'failure' to comply clause and actions to be taken in the event of non compliance. Do they think contracts are based on 'good will', their based on 'fear'. The fear component is 'PL 99 years independence' which the SFG will recognize if it fails to comply to the agreement.

But my guess is nothing has changed in Villa Puntland. HSM will sign another garbage 'war murtiyeed' and laugh as he heads back to Hamar and will just flip and PL will just go back to the default 'xirirka ayaanu idin jarnay' crap.
 

DR OSMAN

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Just imagine 99 years of PL independence, completely separate from the south and it's constant bickering, lack of unity, and all around chaos. 99 years is a good time period to develop, we can 'watch' from a 'distance' what's happening in the south every '25 years' by conducting 'federal union reviews'.

Just Imagine, PL will enjoy full foreign powers while the International community can be satisfied that 'federalism' isn't 'dead' but we are going about it in a 'different way' this time with 'federal union review every 25 years'. The I.C will be satisfied with that arrangement. Somalis will also be satisfied that PL is independent becuz the south is unstable but will rejoin when the time is right.

We won't get that 'isaaq' treatment of cutting the 'cord' immediately but playin it out 'over time'. In the event in 99 years the south is still the same, our state credibility at the world stage and stable region reputation would've have developed so much that we could exercise full independence after 99 years or at least 'treaty extension' if the south is still how it is. It's a win win all round in my book.
 

DR OSMAN

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Nigga we are all dead in 99 years anyways:dead::deadrose:

Yes I know u will be( u have no state) but PL will be here forever. We have generational politics and will pass it on like our last generation(25 years ago) passed us a state. I want to pass them 99 year independence. This will be my generational contribution to Puntland politics.
 

DR OSMAN

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Nigga we are all dead in 99 years anyways:dead::deadrose:

That's why I don't want nothing to do with you southies. U don't understand we have a 'state' and each generation has to contribute for the next, isku maskax maba nihin, you don't care for your people or their future kids. U will just sit there n copy what PL does.
 
Fortunately most PL origin politicians don't agree with the OP here. MJ has a real chance to win the next federal presidential election in 4/5 years and so it's more useful to advocate for PL to help fix Somalia and our country become a functional federation under a strong FGS that's in charge from Ras Aseyr to Ras Kamboni
 
Put up or shut up. You can't hide in your tuulos and claim you are a nation. PL should stop hiding and push south, if you can't then the converse should happen.
 
That's why I don't want nothing to do with you southies. U don't understand we have a 'state' and each generation has to contribute for the next, isku maskax maba nihin, you don't care for your people or their future kids. U will just sit there n copy what PL does.
Your talking in the sense that you’ll be there . In fact claiming independence is the dumbest thing to do for your future generations. Pl isn’t sufficient enough for that and they’ll be missing out on all investments and projects that will come from a strong fgs sooner or later
 

DR OSMAN

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@Prince of HS We are not doing what the Isaaqs are saying, separating thru force from Somalia.

PL is asking for 99 year independence thru a mutually recognized 'treaty' status, our reasons are we don't want to sit on the side-line waiting for the south, that's a fair call to anyone who is reasonaable. We are saying we will re-join a federal somalia when it's reasonable to do and will even conduct 25 year 'one generation' review over those 99 years to show our commitment to federalism.

We need a long 'treaty' becuz we want to ensure we can provide stability to investors in our land, business people love 'stable' places not places that 'flip flop' like the HAGS, no-one is going to tie their investment into such place.

Plus our treaty can satisfy the I.C that PL will rejoin a federal somalia when the conditions on the grounds dictate. Everyone can walk away 'winner' in this agreement. We will still be apart of the south and participate in mogadishu politics but PL will have an 'independent treaty status.

Now u can tell Isaaqs to f*ck off who want to 'permanetely divide thru force n begging the world' and war with them and keep them isolated
 

Aurelian

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WHY SFG should ask or negotiate with PL about selecting ministries or why the hell the nation parliament should be take permission to pass bills, it is the parliament for god's sake?
 

DR OSMAN

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WHY SFG should ask or negotiate with PL about selecting ministries or why the hell the nation parliament should be take permission to pass bills, it is the parliament for god's sake?

If their passing laws for Hamar, then I have no objections.

But u won't pass laws for other states without their permission. Any 'federal law' effecting the regions should be consulted with the regions. If it affects one region, then consult with that region, if it effects all regions then they must consult with all regions.

If what your doing is 'good' why you scared of 'accountability'? U think my state will put it's trust in a parliament where everyone who is sitting there came thru bribes n haram? you are very small minded child
 

Aurelian

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If their passing laws for Hamar, then I have no objections.

But u won't pass laws for other states without their permission. Any 'federal law' effecting the regions should be consulted with the regions. If it affects one region, then consult with that region, if it effects all regions then they must consult with all regions.
So the parliament who may speak for the nation in the future when we have votes, should ask first what to do with a federal member state?
 

DR OSMAN

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@Aurelian if they came thru the people's will and vote, I would respect them much more and believe they stand for some place, but these ppl came thru bribes n haram, some even murder potential competition candidates. Those ppl I have no respect for their view and I sure as hell would fume if PL just stood by and let these thugs dictate
 
If their passing laws for Hamar, then I have no objections.

But u won't pass laws for other states without their permission. Any 'federal law' effecting the regions should be consulted with the regions. If it affects one region, then consult with that region, if it effects all regions then they must consult with all regions.

If what your doing is 'good' why you scared of 'accountability'? U think my state will put it's trust in a parliament where everyone who is sitting there came thru bribes n haram? you are very small minded child
You have your representatives in FGS parliament, if unfavorable bills are passed through the parliament blame them. You won't be getting any speacial treatment mate, you are just another FMS in the eyes of the FGS . :silanyolaugh:
 
The PL government keeps saying we demand better working relationship with the SFG and constantly complains about PL not recieving it's fair-share of international aid, scholarships, etc. It also not pleased with not being consulted about SFG direction, ministry nominations and parliamentary bills being passed without any PL involvement.

I urge President Deni be the first president who stops complaining and relying on the SFG to change. These complaints have been on-going since 2009 and nothing has changed.

I urge President Deni that he comes with a Plan B. Plan B is what PL will do if the SFG doesn't comply and 'changes kastumo'. Make HSM sign that PL will exercise it's independent status and will be recognized by the SFG for a 99 year treaty and every 25 years PL/SFG will conduct 'federal union reviews' .

We should execute that Plan B immediately when the SFG plays the 'two face' game and at least now PL has got it's independence for 99 years and we can convince the international community, we are still on-board for federalism and will be doing federal union reviews every 25 years with the south, but for the time being, both parties believe this is the best long-term solution.
Calm down mate, Puntland has nothing to offer to the federal government.
Xamar can literally show you the middle finger and there's literally nothing you can do about it. Declaring secession will not bring anything either. You're not paying federal tax, like Mogadishu, you demand too much for too little, you have the same amount of seats like any other states, SW has more representation in the federal government and produce something very important to the federal government, food.
What does Puntland offer Xamar, that the SFG can't live without it? Literally nothing.
You are not even at the level of Somaliland, at least they have enough locally generated revenue and more international connection to survive if they're cut off from the Xamar 4km shit show government aid money
 
If their passing laws for Hamar, then I have no objections.

But u won't pass laws for other states without their permission. Any 'federal law' effecting the regions should be consulted with the regions. If it affects one region, then consult with that region, if it effects all regions then they must consult with all regions.

If what your doing is 'good' why you scared of 'accountability'? U think my state will put it's trust in a parliament where everyone who is sitting there came thru bribes n haram? you are very small minded child
Calm down sxb, it's the other way around. The federal government is the supreme above the state(Puntland). The federal states are the ones obligated to not pass laws that are not aligned with the federal Dastuur.
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Calm down mate, Puntland has nothing to offer to the federal government.
Xamar can literally show you the middle finger and there's literally nothing you can do about it. Declaring secession will not bring anything either. You're not paying federal tax, like Mogadishu, you demand too much for too little, you have the same amount of seats like any other states, SW has more representation in the federal government and produce something very important to the federal government, food.
What does Puntland offer Xamar, that the SFG can't live without it? Literally nothing.
You are not even at the level of Somaliland, at least they have enough locally generated revenue and more international connection to survive if they're cut off from the Xamar 4km shit show government aid money
PL’s claim to fame tbh is it’s control of JL.

FGS should break that chain and be an ally of JL. And then PL will really have no leverage.

I expect once the FGS budget increases and it can fund development projects it’ll go exclusively to central-south regions till PL starts paying taxes to the FGS and joining the FGS’s education, health, military like the Southerners.

Like you said SWS is resource rich and provides food for the country. It has more MPs and it’s got a far bigger population.

GM+HS are extensions of Banadir so their importance is beyond doubt.
 
PL’s claim to fame tbh is it’s control of JL.

FGS should break that chain and be an ally of JL. And then PL will really have no leverage.

I expect once the FGS budget increases and it can fund development projects it’ll go exclusively to central-south regions till PL starts paying taxes to the FGS and joining the FGS’s education, health, military like the Southerners.

Like you said SWS is resource rich and provides food for the country. It has more MPs and it’s got a far bigger population.

GM+HS are extensions of Banadir so their importance is beyond doubt.
Even Jubbaland itself is more important to the federal government in Xamar, than Puntland.
First Jubbaland is a little more diverse than Puntland, where's dominated by one subclan & calls all the shots.
Secondly Jubaland is also food producing State and has huge alsheytan in their state, so to fight them the FSG, needs Jubaland and all the local clans support.
Puntland gets huge chunk of the aid money, receives unfair amount of special treatment and is very unaligned member with the SFG.
Maybe it's time the SFG shows them their place. Unlike all the other states they can't shake anything in Xamar, food wise or military wise, nothing.
 

repo

Bantu Liberation Movement
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Even Jubbaland itself is more important to the federal government in Xamar, than Puntland.
First Jubbaland is a little more diverse than Puntland, where's dominated by one subclan & calls all the shots.
Secondly Jubaland is also food producing State and has huge alsheytan in their state, so to fight them the FSG, needs Jubaland and all the local clans support.
Puntland gets huge chunk of the aid money, receives unfair amount of special treatment and is very unaligned member with the SFG.
Maybe it's time the SFG shows them their place. Unlike all the other states they can't shake anything in Xamar, food wise or military wise, nothing.
What food do you produce when there's famines every few years and WFP, the UN, allied nations send food aid to the south every week?

Tom And Jerry Lol GIF by myHQ
 

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