How powerful was ancient Kush?

[Marshall D Abdi]

This thread is cringe, let's not co-opt other people's history here. The ancient Kushites where most likely Cushitic speakers but their direct descendants are people like the Shaigiya tribe whose tribal territory is Meroe. The Kushites language shifted from Cushitic to Nilo-Saharan to Arabic.

Its ok we can land of punt there is always plan B

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

This thread is cringe, let's not co-opt other people's history here. The ancient Kushites where most likely Cushitic speakers but their direct descendants are people like the Shaigiya tribe whose tribal territory is Meroe. The Kushites language shifted from Cushitic to Nilo-Saharan to Arabic.

We aren't Cushites?

 

[Octavian]

We aren't Cushites?

We are just a different type

 

[Juke]

The Ancient Egyptians too were descended from Puntities (early Somalis).

Somalis didn't exist when the Egyptians were visiting Punt.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Somalis didn't exist when the Egyptians were visiting Punt.

Our ancestors did though. They just weren't called Somali.

 

[Juke]

Our ancestors did though. They just weren't called Somali.

The earliest male ancestors of the 2 Somali lineages are 3000 and 2000 years ago. Egyptians were visiting before that.

Edit: I meant 4000 and 2000 years ago.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

The earliest male ancestors of the 2 Somali lineages are 3000 and 2000 years ago. Egyptians were visiting before that.

Edit: I meant 4000 and 2000 years ago.

I know but we were genetically the same. Proto-Somalis.

 

[Juke]

I know but we were genetically the same. Proto-Somalis.

There's no evidence of that.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

There's no evidence of that.

Do you think Somalis just popped out of thin air? Who do you think Ibn-Samaale's ancestors were?

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

There's no evidence of that.

The Puntites are believed to have been ancient Somalis who traded myrrh, spices, gold, ebony, short-horned cattle, ivory and frankincense with the Ancient Egyptians and ancient Mesopotamia through their commercial ports.

 

[Juke]

Do you think Somalis just popped out of thin air? Who do you think Ibn-Samaale's ancestors were?

Somalis migrated to Somalia. Egyptians were visiting Punt before Somalis got there.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Somalis didn't exist when the Egyptians were visiting Punt.

Who tf was there then

 

[Juke]

Who tf was there then

We don't know.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

We don't know.

 

[Yahya]

Somalis migrated to Somalia. Egyptians were visiting Punt before Somalis got there.

BS. Prove it

Somalis did not migrate to the horn. They have always been there or migrated at the same time egypt was built.

The ancient egyptians claimed they migrated from the land of punt. Herodotus's account which is always conveniently ignored also states they were sent to colonise the nile river down stream in egypt and came from punt where they lived with their cousins (ancient somalis).

 

[Juke]

BS. Prove it

Somalis did not migrate to the horn. They have always been there or migrated at the same time egypt was built.

The ancient egyptians claimed they migrated from the land of punt. Herodotus's account which is always conveniently ignored also states they were sent to colonise the nile river down stream in egypt and came from punt where they lived with their cousins (ancient somalis).

High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males - European Journal of Human Genetics

We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and...

www.nature.com

Somali E-M78 (Darood, Hawiye, some Isaaq) TMRCA was estimated to be 4000 years ago and T-M184 (Dir and some Isaaq) TMRCA was 2000 years ago

Look at the time period when Hatshepsut, Sahure, Mentuhotep III, etc. were visiting Punt.

Land of Punt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somalis didn't even exist lol

 

[Cuneo]

High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males - European Journal of Human Genetics

We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and...

www.nature.com

Somali E-M78 (Darood, Hawiye, some Isaaq) TMRCA was estimated to be 4000 years ago and T-M184 (Dir and some Isaaq) TMRCA was 2000 years ago

Look at the time period when Hatshepsut, Sahure, Mentuhotep III, etc. were visiting Punt.

Land of Punt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somalis didn't even exist lol

The Puntites were Lowland East Cushitic people and their descendants are the Somali, Afar and Saho. The land of Punt stretched from Eritrea (Massawa) in the north to Somaliland and Puntland in the south.

The mummified baboons exported to ancient Egypt came from this area.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males - European Journal of Human Genetics

We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and...

www.nature.com

Somali E-M78 (Darood, Hawiye, some Isaaq) TMRCA was estimated to be 4000 years ago and T-M184 (Dir and some Isaaq) TMRCA was 2000 years ago

Look at the time period when Hatshepsut, Sahure, Mentuhotep III, etc. were visiting Punt.

Land of Punt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somalis didn't even exist lol

Your theory doesn't hold up though.

Even if we conquered the land afterwards, we still have the dna of the assimilated natives.

However your theory is bs, we have been in the horn for atleast ten thousand years.

When we start excavating ancient graves we will most likely match their genome.

 

[Juke]

The Puntites were Lowland East Cushitic people and their descendants are the Somali, Afar and Saho. The land of Punt stretched from Eritrea (Massawa) in the north to Somaliland and Puntland in the south.

The mummified baboons exported to ancient Egypt came from this area.

Your theory doesn't hold up though.

Even if we conquered the land afterwards, we still have the dna of the assimilated natives.

However your theory is bs, we have been in the horn for atleast ten thousand years.

When we start excavating ancient graves we will most likely match their genome.

@Apollo any thoughts?

 

[Aurelian]

The earliest male ancestors of the 2 Somali lineages are 3000 and 2000 years ago. Egyptians were visiting before that.

Edit: I meant 4000 and 2000 years ago.

I think that the Y chromosome change over time, the mutation happens constantly, with every major mutation the scientists give it its own subgroup like the Somali HG E-V32

, our ancestors weren't thrown from the sky "Cirka ma lago so ridin"