How much to bring clean water to a small Somali city?

[Oday-yar]

Dhusamareeb, beledwayne, kismayo etc...

Anyone know? Surely it can't be that expensive? The money raised in the diaspora to help those affected by drought would probably be enough to dig wells around Somalia if we were proactive instead of reactive? someone prove me wrong. I looked up the average costs of wells in africa, and $15k-$20k seems to be the average. I realize you'd need dozens of these in every cities and in smaller towns, but still, it doesn't seem too expensive?


Build wells build trees.
make Somalia great so it's no longer Zoo.malia

@Thegoodshepherd

 

[Dowlad]

It is cheap. NGO's done it for free in my village. They drilled two or three bore holes over the past 10 years. A private company connected it to anyone who wanted to have it in their house. The fee was $5 connection and monthly was based on usage. Average fee for a home was $2-$3 a month. It was fresh ground water which was sweet to drink. However you can't drink Galackyo water as it is to mineralised. People just shower with it. Nobody cleans their clothes with it too. Galinsoor water is also sweet.

Because of high unemployment. Young men cut trees for charcoal to make money. There is a Biyooley project by IMF trying to make water wells and bore holes all over Somalia. If we can stop people cutting trees this can help a lot.

 

[Oday-yar]

It is cheap. NGO's done it for free in my village. They drilled two or three bore holes over the past 10 years. A private company connected it to anyone who wanted to have it in their house. The fee was $5 connection and monthly was based on usage. Average fee for a home was $2-$3 a month. It was fresh ground water which was sweet to drink. However you can't drink Galackyo water as it is to mineralised. People just shower with it. Nobody cleans their clothes with it too. Galinsoor water is also sweet.

Because of high unemployment. Young men cut trees for charcoal to make money. There is a Biyooley project by IMF trying to make water wells and bore holes all over Somalia. If we can stop people cutting trees this can help a lot.

what would it take to make it clean enough to drink? if this was made available everywhere in the country, we can end famine and all these stupid clan wars over dirty, muddy water.

Diaspora Somalis need to start working on this because we are paying a lot of money to help our families back home, especially during drought seasons but as they saying goes, give a man a fish.....

 

[Dowlad]

what would it take to make it clean enough to drink? if this was made available everywhere in the country, we can end famine and all these stupid clan wars over dirty, muddy water.

Diaspora Somalis need to start working on this because we are paying a lot of money to help our families back home, especially during drought seasons but as they saying goes, give a man a fish.....

Depends on the water quality. The water in my village is fresh underground water. It is drinkable without any treatments. It taste like Evian. If you noticed Somali' shave brown teeth because of the high fluoride in water. This is good and healthy for teeth. The water has good natural minerals. Galkacyo's water is not nice. The bottled ones they processed is worse and will fk up your kidneys as they just put chemicals to clean it without good supervision. It needs good investment and qualified people to operate it. What we need is a decent government that can do big projects to make communities more resilient to droughts. The conflict in Somalia is not about water it is political.

 

[Removed]

The problem isn’t necessarily water for a person but the livestock dont have enough water and/or pasture.

This needs massive reform in livestock management and huge investment in water storage and productivity regarding growing fodder.

 

[Grimmer]

Depends on the water quality. The water in my village is fresh underground water. It is drinkable without any treatments. It taste like Evian. If you noticed Somali' shave brown teeth because of the high fluoride in water. This is good and healthy for teeth. The water has good natural minerals. Galkacyo's water is not nice. The bottled ones they processed is worse and will fk up your kidneys as they just put chemicals to clean it without good supervision. It needs good investment and qualified people to operate it. What we need is a decent government that can do big projects to make communities more resilient to droughts. The conflict in Somalia is not about water it is political.

Where are you from?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@Oday-yar there are three types of cities in Somalia when speaking of water.

Riverine cities: like Baardheere, Beled Xaawo, Beledweyne, they just need water treatment plants since they are located on rivers.

Coastal cities: located on the ocean but without river water like Bosaso and Mogadishu. These cities will have to invest heavily in solar and wind to power desalination plants. They are too big to fail.

Inland cities: The vast majority, over 80%, of the settlements in Somalia are inland. There is no way around the fact that inland cities, be it Baydhabo, Hargeisa, Galkacyo, Burco, Borama etc.. face huge challenges in the future given Somalia's poor underground water resources. It is hard to imagine how Somalia is going to afford to bring water to these cities, but it is also difficult to imagine how these cities can be abandoned.

For an inland city like Galkacyo, you would need:
25-30 MW Reverse Osmosis plant on the Indian Ocean 220 km away producing ~60,000 cubic meters of water for ~400,000 people. (~$200 million)
11 MW worth of pumping stations spaced over the 220 km. ($10 - $15million)
220 km of 45 CM diameter steel pipe.

The cost would easily reach $300 million just to supply Galkacyo with barely enough water for its people. Keep in mind that Somalia's population is growing at over 3%, so you would need overbuild with a lot of excess capacity. The real cost would be something like $400 million.

Somalia's inland cities are probably ok for the next 20 or so years, but they will soon begin to run into the problem Hargeisa is facing today. There is simply not enough groundwater. Our best hope is that solar and wind costs continue to fall in the future and that major breakthroughs that reduce the cost of desal come about in the next 20 years.

 

[NinWero]

@Oday-yar there are three types of cities in Somalia when speaking of water.

Riverine cities: like Baardheere, Beled Xaawo, Beledweyne, they just need water treatment plants since they are located on rivers.

Coastal cities: located on the ocean but without river water like Bosaso and Mogadishu. These cities will have to invest heavily in solar and wind to power desalination plants. They are too big to fail.

Inland cities: The vast majority, over 80%, of the settlements in Somalia are inland. There is no way around the fact that inland cities, be it Baydhabo, Hargeisa, Galkacyo, Burco, Borama etc.. face huge challenges in the future given Somalia's poor underground water resources. It is hard to imagine how Somalia is going to afford to bring water to these cities, but it is also difficult to imagine how these cities can be abandoned.

For an inland city like Galkacyo, you would need:
25-30 MW Reverse Osmosis plant on the Indian Ocean 220 km away producing ~60,000 cubic meters of water for ~400,000 people. (~$200 million)
11 MW worth of pumping stations spaced over the 220 km. ($10 - $15million)
220 km of 45 CM diameter steel pipe.

The cost would easily reach $300 million just to supply Galkacyo with barely enough water for its people. Keep in mind that Somalia's population is growing at over 3%, so you would need overbuild with a lot of excess capacity. The real cost would be something like $400 million.

Somalia's inland cities are probably ok for the next 20 or so years, but they will soon begin to run into the problem Hargeisa is facing today. There is simply not enough groundwater. Our best hope is that solar and wind costs continue to fall in the future and that major breakthroughs that reduce the cost of desal come about in the next 20 years.

The only saving grace is that Somalia has a large supply of underground water reservoirs.

"Somalia possesses a huge groundwater resources and it is estimated to be 12,300 Km; it ranges from 5,210 to 34,500 Km³ "

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The only saving grace is that Somalia has a large supply of underground water reservoirs.

"Somalia possesses a huge groundwater resources and it is estimated to be 12,300 Km; it ranges from 5,210 to 34,500 Km³ "

You don't want to desalinate water inland because you will produce vast quantities of concentrated brine. You will end up destroying your land forever. desalinating 60,000 cubic meters of water per day for Galkacyo would produce ~30 million tons of salt per year (assuming salt concentations at 1300 ppm).

I don't trust Somalis enough to think they will manage that salt waste.
Inland desalination + Somalis= catastrophe

 

[peacemaker]

@Oday-yar there are three types of cities in Somalia when speaking of water.

Riverine cities: like Baardheere, Beled Xaawo, Beledweyne, they just need water treatment plants since they are located on rivers.

Coastal cities: located on the ocean but without river water like Bosaso and Mogadishu. These cities will have to invest heavily in solar and wind to power desalination plants. They are too big to fail.

Inland cities: The vast majority, over 80%, of the settlements in Somalia are inland. There is no way around the fact that inland cities, be it Baydhabo, Hargeisa, Galkacyo, Burco, Borama etc.. face huge challenges in the future given Somalia's poor underground water resources. It is hard to imagine how Somalia is going to afford to bring water to these cities, but it is also difficult to imagine how these cities can be abandoned.

For an inland city like Galkacyo, you would need:
25-30 MW Reverse Osmosis plant on the Indian Ocean 220 km away producing ~60,000 cubic meters of water for ~400,000 people. (~$200 million)
11 MW worth of pumping stations spaced over the 220 km. ($10 - $15million)
220 km of 45 CM diameter steel pipe.

The cost would easily reach $300 million just to supply Galkacyo with barely enough water for its people. Keep in mind that Somalia's population is growing at over 3%, so you would need overbuild with a lot of excess capacity. The real cost would be something like $400 million.

Somalia's inland cities are probably ok for the next 20 or so years, but they will soon begin to run into the problem Hargeisa is facing today. There is simply not enough groundwater. Our best hope is that solar and wind costs continue to fall in the future and that major breakthroughs that reduce the cost of desal come about in the next 20 years.

Some fun numbers. Each year you need $520 billion investment in oil and gas production to keep them under 80$ a barrel or or under 5$ per million british thermal unit of gas

but thanks for wacky western obsession with climate change even major hedge funds that control 50 trillion dollars in global assets are refusing to invest in oil and gas and starving it off investment hence why oil was shooting up above 100$ a barrel before Putins invasion

thanks to the ESG crap. Environmental social governance non sense I don’t see diesel or petrol prices coming down thanks to the climate change net zero rubbish obsession

so any third world nations using diesel or petrol to pump water and clean water are simply screwed

Garrisa managed to lower cost per kilowatt energy from 20 cents to 12 cents in 2017 thanks to Nadif Jamac the governor who invested in solar cells

inward Somali cities will need that because carbon energy is not gona come down if this cult net zero any oil and gas spear heads

 

[peacemaker]

Even last month over 100 banks that control 38 percent of all global investment assets signed a deal to block investments or lending credit to oil and gas firms

the west has a strange obsession to drive global energy prices which will only lead to starvation of third world nations. Which I suspect is their design

it’s time we get our acts together as we are totally dependent on energy imports.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thegoodshepherd

The key to water is 'treatment n recycling'. Australia is the dryest continent and water sufficient. You guys assume u just take 'river or ground water' and treat it and supply it to homes, it doesn't work like that or else the river/groundwater will eventually 'deplete'.

The solution is ensuring all homes pipeline is re-circulated back to the water supply thru a water-grid system, then it needs to go to the treatment center and then 'sent' back to households. That's how u deliver water in cities without worrying about 'source' depletion.

Somali cities needs to 'capture' it's water and not 'waste' it becuz it's dry region and then design a 'water grid' system where no water goes to waste and is recirculated back to homes.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thegoodshepherd the garowe mayor is tackling this issue of clean treated water alongside 'water security' without 'depletion of water sources' regardless of town growth. Garowe will lead the way for Somalia

 

[Dima&Damo]

@Thegoodshepherd the garowe mayor is tackling this issue of clean treated water alongside 'water security' without 'depletion of water sources' regardless of town growth. Garowe will lead the way for Somalia

He is smart fella that mayor

 

[codewebsduh]

Any hydroinfrastructure needs continuous state maintenance and strict regulations. It's impossible to develop things in a vaccum

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Neero he is the best mayor in Somalia. If their was a 'mayor' award, that guy would win it 4 year straight. His a quiet person(af yar hawl badan) though.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The other key to water supply is not to rely on '1 source' but have multiple sources for the water supply backbone. PL gets a-lot of rain(moonsoon) levels when their isn't a drought, if we find out where most of that rain 'falls' and create multiple 'sub-surface dam', it could play a secondary source point for different region's water supply.

Not sure if it would be 'worth' investing in dams, it will all depend on level of rain each year.

I know Israel created some new technology to 'capture' water thru the 'air' alone. It's still not an 'industrial scale' tho

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[DR OSMAN]

The best thing we can do to increase our rain-fall is to plant trees, but in strategic locations like 'mountain tops' and 'hills', we don't want trees covering our whole region, it could potentially deem our region as not suitable for 'natural resource' industries, natural resource companies prefer 'deserts' for minerals, becuz when they do their environmental impact studies their is no damage to the environment, how-ever exploiting 'green' land their will be big 'fuzz' about destroying environment.

 

[Yankee]

The problem isn’t the water it’s the journey. The roads are dirt and Al Shabab won’t let anyone bring water to if they run that territory. Solve the Al Shabab problem and we might be able to limit these droughts.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The problem isn’t the water it’s the journey. The roads are dirt and Al Shabab won’t let anyone bring water to if they run that territory. Solve the Al Shabab problem and we might be able to limit these droughts.

I'd rather use the DDS side of the river water source thru Galdogob into Mudug and then into PL, then rely on the south river. PL has multiple options for water security.

1. Underground
2. Above ground catchments
3. Desalination
4. DDS pipeline canal to their river

Or a mix of all those technologies

Galdogob has a good opportunity to be the 'treatment center' of Puntland water from DDS canal, hundred of job growth.

We need one or two big water sources for PL water, becuz we need to 'service' so many towns in between the major towns on the road and off the road before arriving in the major cities.

I think PL can do it. Offer free land, pay for the water building and the I.C can pay for the pipeline network across our region and treatment/recycle equipment. I can't wait till we get these roads/ports/airports all done completely, so we can develop a permanent water lifeline for our region. It will be huge project legacy for watever president that does it. Then we need to address our electricity backbone supply for 'manufacturing' to begin.