How many Somalis are there worldwide?

[Bubbles]

Wikipedia says we number 24 million worldwide...do you think this is accurate?

 

[Sophisticate]

No. There is no reliable data on the number of Somalis within Somalia. I wouldn't trust them regarding reporting. They tend to inflate their numbers to project some sense of landheeernimo where that is quite the converse relative to other populations despite their high fertility rate(s).

As for Somalis abroad, the figures are projections, with those in the diaspora hovering around 2 million collectively and Somalis back home numbering 16 million. I don't believe them as they lied in the 1970s and 80s censuses' regarding their numbers, so why would they suddenly become honest now. They are a quarrelsome bunch who can't afford to be tribalistic or antagonize others who look like them because they aren't many. That could make sense if they were (as large as other groups), but it's truly doqonimo for them. Heck, the war was a crummy idea. How will you attempt to 'take care of' rival clans when every head matters. You are not Chinese. And could not afford a Mao Zedong elimination (~45 Million is likely greater in number than all the Somalis that have ever existed).

Do not be fooled by their loudness or their noticeable yet obnoxious social media presence. They are but a dip in the pond as far as population numbers go.

 

[greznigrezni]

We are more than 24 million. My clan alone accounts for 250 million out of the human race.

 

[Periplus]

with those in the diaspora hovering around 2 million collectively

Unless you’re talking about the West alone, you are very very off.

 

[mrlog]

No. There is no reliable data on the number of Somalis within Somalia. I wouldn't trust them regarding reporting. They tend to inflate their numbers to project some sense of landheeernimo where that is quite the converse relative to other populations despite their high fertility rate(s).

As for Somalis abroad, the figures are projections, with those in the diaspora hovering around 2 million collectively and Somalis back home numbering 16 million. I don't believe them as they lied in the 1970s and 80s censuses' regarding their numbers, so why would they suddenly become honest now. They are a quarrelsome bunch who can't afford to be tribalistic or antagonize others who look like them because they aren't many. That could make sense if they were (as large as other groups), but it's truly doqonimo for them. Heck, the war was a crummy idea. How will you attempt to 'take care of' rival clans when every head matters. You are not Chinese. And could not afford a Mao Zedong elimination (~45 Million is likely greater in number than all the Somalis that have ever existed).

Do not be fooled by their loudness or their noticeable yet obnoxious social media presence. They are but a dip in the pond as far as population numbers go.

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[GemState]

16 million in Somalia
10 million in Ethiopia
4 million in Kenya+Djibouti
1 million rest of the world

so around 30-32 million all together. Aside from Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani and Oromo, Somalis are probably the 6th largest ethnic group in SSA

 

[greznigrezni]

16 million in Somalia
10 million in Ethiopia
4 million in Kenya+Djibouti
1 million rest of the world

so around 30-31 million all together

It's probably in the 40s. There are a lot of unaccounted Somalis.

 

[GemState]

It's probably in the 40s. There are a lot of unaccounted Somalis.

Nah too high, it's deffo below 40 million. Low-mid 30s

 

[Enter]

33,027,539

 

[Mount23]

30 to 40 million worldwide

 

[Keo]

50 million

 

[Sophisticate]

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So, you're making fun of people with DID? That's not a good look even for you as these people are (1) extreme outliers and (2) chronically traumatized individuals. Of which I am not. Even I would not make such a tasteless joke. I digress, I can be both critical of Somalis while being Somali. And I'm sure you're smart enough to know about a little something called perspective-taking.

 

[Sophisticate]

Unless you’re talking about the West alone, you are very very off.

I have heard the figure of 2 million used here and there of Somalis in the diaspora. I do not think it merely applies to the West but to Somalis outside of Africa. I'd like to know how they (the UN) derived the figure.

Global Connections: Somali Diaspora Practices and their Effects - Somalia

Analysis in English on Somalia about Protection and Human Rights; published on 9 Mar 2022 by RVI

reliefweb.int

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

There is about 11 million samaale/somalis and another 12 million somali speaking ppl we call somalis .

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

32 million.

Somalia..16

Kenya…5 million

Ethiopia…10 million

Western Europe/Arabia/Turkey/Malaysia/India/China/Pakistan ….1 million

 

[Sophisticate]

@celidheere instead of passively-aggressively qashining me at least make your points known. All we have are population estimates/projections and we're winging it with some geospatial data. Enjoy.

In many countries the reliability of population and housing census data has been questioned due to the accuracy of projections required from long delays between enumeration and data release (Fig. 1), the omission or undercounting of certain marginalized groups (e.g., those in informal settlements, ethnic minorities, and nomadic populations), insecurity and conflict limiting enumeration in certain regions, and corruption driving inflated estimates where population numbers are linked to resource allocation.

National population and housing censuses will continue to provide the most important source of such data, but in many cases these data are outdated and unreliable, with few other data sources, such as registries, available to aid in updates. Statistical approaches have been applied for the estimation of populations within specific urban and rural settings in the absence of census data (11, 33, 34, 61), and within refugee/internally displaced persons camps (39). However, there have so far been few attempts to provide estimates across national extents (5, 44) and less attention paid to low-income settings where contemporary population information is currently lacking. We propose that suitable data sources, computational power, and statistical methods are now available to enable high-resolution, spatially disaggregated national population estimation to be carried out in countries where comprehensive, recent, and reliable census data are unavailable and are unlikely to become available due to challenging contexts.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1715305115

Demographic data for Somalia have been scanty and unreliable even before the eruption of political crisis in 1990, and the civil war has only aggravated the situation. Somalia had carried out a census with UNFPA assistance in 1975, but only a brief analytical report appears to have been published. Ten years later Somalia carried out another census in 1985-86, but the results were not released, since the government felt that the census had underestimated the population. The results were never evaluated to throw light on the extent of errors in the census. Consequently even the population count based on the census is subject to considerable doubt. If census taking had been jinxed in Somalia, sample surveys fared no better. A national demographic survey was carried out in 1980-81, but the data were never fully processed and only a few hand tabulations were released. Another survey of three regions (Banadir, Bay and Lower Shabelle) was carried out in 1981 in collaboration with the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and this survey has remained the only source of demographic parameters.

Vital registration is non-existent in Somalia and as noted earlier census taking has not been successful in the past

https://www.somali-jna.org/downloads/ACFA9.pdf

First, in the absence of a recent census, no exhaustive lists of census enumeration areas along with population estimates existed, creating challenges to derive a probability-based representative sample. Therefore, geospatial techniques and high-resolution imagery were used to model the spatial population distribution, build a probability-based population sampling frame, and generate enumeration areas to overcome the lack of a recent population census.

As is typical for fragile states, Somalia is highly data‐deprived, leaving policy makers to operate in a statistical vacuum (Beegle et al., 2016). Specifically, years of civil war and ongoing conflict have eroded Somalia’s statistical infrastructure and capacity, leading to the lack of key macro‐ and micro‐economic indicators, including the poverty rate (Hoogeveen and Nguyen, 2017). The government conducted and published the last full population census in 1975, while Somalia Socioeconomic Survey of 2002 was the last country‐wide household survey (UNFPA, 2014). Most recent existing data sources are local FSNAU and FAO food and nutrition surveys, while organizations operating within Somalia implemented a range of smaller surveys. In 2014, UNFPA implemented the first nationwide Population Estimation Survey (PESS) in preparation for a national census, finding the total population to be 12.3 million, of which 42 percent are urban, 23 percent rural, 26 percent nomadic, and 9 percent are internally displaced (UNFPA, 2014).

https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/31267/WPS8735.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[Shimbiris]

16 million in Somalia
10 million in Ethiopia
4 million in Kenya+Djibouti
1 million rest of the world

so around 30-32 million all together. Aside from Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani and Oromo, Somalis are probably the 6th largest ethnic group in SSA

Oromos and Somalis carrying Cushites, wallahi. Agaws got whooped by ancient Yemenis, our Sudanese Cushite brothers largely got defeated by nimanka Bedouin, South Cushites like the ancestors of the Tutsi rolled over for the Bantu tidal wave but WE, the East Cushites, kept it real against all odds. Even managed to create two Cushitic nations with UN membership (Somalia & Djibouti).

 

[kulane]

Lol at ethiopian somalis being 10 million. Somalis just love to overestimate their numbers. It's more like this.

Somalia 12 million
Ethiopia 4 million
Kenya 3 million
Djibouti 800,000
Rest of diaspora 1 - 1,500,000 million

So that makes somali population worldwide somewhere around 20 to 22 million.

 

[World]

Lol at ethiopian somalis being 10 million. Somalis just love to overestimate their numbers. It's more like this.

Somalia 12 million
Ethiopia 4 million
Kenya 3 million
Djibouti 800,000
Rest of diaspora 1 - 1,500,000 million

So that makes somali population worldwide somewhere around 20 to 22 million.

The Ethiopian government Central Statistical Agency put the Ethiopian Somali population at 7.5 million in 2007. Now, given the fact that Somali region’s fertility rate is 7.2, 10 million is not an over exaggeration in 15 years.

Your figure of 4 million was not even true in 1994, when the national Ethiopian census gave the Ethiopian Somali region a population of 5.4 million.

 

[kulane]

The Ethiopian government Central Statistical Agency put the Ethiopian Somali population at 7.5 million in 2007. Now, given the fact that Somali region’s fertility rate is 7.2, 10 million is not an over exaggeration in 15 years.

Your figure of 4 million was not even true in 1994, when the national Ethiopian census gave the Ethiopian Somali region a population of 5.4 million.

Ethiopia govt inflate the whole country's population for aid reasons. How can a country of 100+ million people have only one city with a population of over million. Use your brain nigga.