What relationship do OG have with cisse? Are they pro seperation? lets say somali galbeed breaks away from Ethiopia i know the cisse in siti will rather join djibouti then somalia.
And the Hawd joins SL
What relationship do OG have with cisse? Are they pro seperation? lets say somali galbeed breaks away from Ethiopia i know the cisse in siti will rather join djibouti then somalia.
What relationship do OG have with cisse? Are they pro seperation? lets say somali galbeed breaks away from Ethiopia i know the cisse in siti will rather join djibouti then somalia.
where in hawd do isaaq settle outside of gaashaamo and daroor?And the Hawd joins SL
ciise are good folk.
if that happened, we wouldn't stand in their way.
something similar could be good, but it all depends on freeing the occupied lands, including Somalia proper.What do you think of unofficial confederation Ogaadeniya and the former French and British Somaaliland territories i.e. Djibouti, Jubaland and NFD, Ogaadeniya, Somaaliland and the Hawd and ReservedAreas. Somalia Italiana minus the former BritishJubaland can join and also make the confederation official once they create a functioning FGS with some control over most of Benaadir, GM, HS, Migiurtinia, and KG
kenya and ethiopia = over 150 million. territory disputes. water disputes.something similar could be good, but it all depends on freeing the occupied lands, including Somalia proper.
we could have an EU like system, free trade, free movement of people, etc.. basically people can only hold political office in their place of birth, no restriction on everything else.
Galbeed
Jabuuti
SL
Somalia
NFD
you could even go crazy and rearrange the borders, and draw borders where we want.
Looks more reasonable than the somaliwayn project because the IC and AU would never support a Somaliwayn idea as that would a Pandora's box in Africa.
So SSC will join PL right?@Ferrari OK the Isaaq parts of Hawd. You wouldn't mind those parts joining SL?
So SSC will join PL right?
If its going to be ethnic state then Awdal will also Join Djibouti.
100%I would support all of Hawd staying part of an independent DDS and also both Awdal and Harti SSC staying part of SL. We should all be consistent
Haraar,Hawash, Babili, adama, dire daba etc and surrounding was part of the Ogaden. The Ogaden land has shrunk over the years while oromos expanded to it.
There was a lot of wars that were fought against Amhara each time the British came to their aid.
somalis were not only fighting Menelik but were fighting also British & Italians.
We had three fronts.
tell me any somali clan that become christian under menelik like vast number of oromos.
How many fronts did oromo have just menelik.Do you think that if the British or French were Absent Rasmakenon or other dogs would have a chance?
Did westernQoti convert through contact with Sudan
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hypothetically speaking do most Muslim Oromo prefer secular
You appear to prefer an Oromo led greaterEthiopia led by Orthodox/Pentay alliance
- OromiaGadaa
- OromianEthiopiawinet
- MuslimOromo plurality/majority confederation Islamic tribes/nations like Cafar, Argoba, Harari Baajuun, Soomali, Saaho, Gosha etc
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Harar was part of Adal before galla expansion.Harar was its own kingdom, no? LOL @ Adama ever being part of somali lands/ogaden lands, please prove zis.
Well, if you guys took land from us and others, and we took lands from you and others, does that not sound fair? Were we not all looking for lands, water resources, etc, for our animals and people back then? Ogaden were/are among the greatest Somali conquerors. I wonder, where they rank among Somali clans, for having the most land?
the somalis are brave no doubt and had to fight on many fronts. the thing is, look at where you guys were/are, very strategic lands. this is why menelik wanted the ogaden-more livestock, more land, and he wanted a buffer zone between the abyssinian empire he started off from/with, and the european super powers there.
oromo fought amhara for 450+ years, how soon you forgot my bro, it started way before menelik, it was the europeans who changed the balance of power in their favor.
Oromos are recent reverts to Islam.They were pagans.and its after the Adal caliphate and Amhara Abysinian Empires weakened did they encroach on the buffer zones and assimilated both the muslim and christian communities.the same way somalis became Muslim: someone came to them, preaching it, and they embraced it. now the muslim oromo are the biggest muslim ethnicity in the horn. :D
what do somali's prefer? secular communism under siad barre? farmajo's secular rule? or?
Oromos are recent reverts to Islam.They were pagans.and its after the Adal caliphate and Amhara Abysinian Empires weakened did they encroach on the buffer zones and assimilated both the muslim and christian communities.
Its not about number but quality.Depends on what you mean as ''recent,'' but they still outnumber the muslim ethnic groups in the horn. and okay, what's your point, the oromo of that time lost land to both of those groups u mentioned, so they wanted it back, it's similar how siad barre saw ethiopia in internal turmoil and decided to attack
Harar was part of Adal before galla expansion.
You guys came from Southern Ethiopia Sidama area and took advantage of the Somali Vs Habesha wars that have been waging for centuries.
You savages are worse than amhara or Tigrayans,Under Abye close to a million somalis have been displaced in qaloji and their houses burnt by galla hordes.
It has never happened even during the time of Mengistu or Haile Selasie or even Meles for somalis to be displaced.in such manner especially when Somalis were not fighting Abye.
Abye is responsible for displacement of Somalis in Sitti and inciting violence againstbSomalis by dressing up ENDF and making them pass a s Afar militias.
The biggest somali enemy is Galla.That is why Abye wants to send Somali Liyu Polis to die in the front line So that Oromos can start killing and displacing Somalis in Moyale and other parts.
Adal empire was somali led even though other erhnic groups were part of it but no Galla was part of it.was adal a somali muslim empire, or a muslim empire that had somali's in it?
post some proof, either way.
the oromo were fighting the habesha before you guys were. our wars go back to the 13th century, at least; what about yours? can you post proof if it was before that, then?
who displaced those somali's? can you post some proof, then?
not just gonna take your word for it, when you've proven that you're so blinded by hatred, that you are not capable of being impartial/fair/just/etc.
and can you prove abiy did that? not that i support him or not believe it, but wanna see proof. and if he does it, he does it as his government's policy-it has nothing to do with oromo's. the same way, that, al shabab terrorism, or other crimes that somali's commit, have nothing to do with somali's. everyone is responsible for their own sins, no one shall bear the burden of another-i do not know why this is so hard for you to get.
because the afar say, the issa have a policy of expanding into their land, and massacre them with djibouti's govt help, so which side is right?!
abiy is sending everyone, mostly oromo's there to fight, so do not pretend that his army and police are treating oromo's well, when we know, they are committing crimes in oromia daily, much more than they are doing to somali's.
Its not about number but quality.
An amhara muslim or Tigrayan muslim has better quality than an Oromo muslim.
Only Oromos can switch religions with ease like ABye ,Gobena etc.
You folks are the worst of the horn of african group.Filled with deep hate against Somalis whule you have been mentally Nd phyisically been abused by Amhara and yet each time you get a chance you try ethnic cleansing somalis civilians thatbare your neighbours.
Its only oromos where I have seen they marry their daughters to kafirs and are ok with it.Look at Jawar when he was asked what religion he was he said he is both.WTF are you guys.