Honest And Frank Discussions Is Healthy

[DR OSMAN]

Honest, Direct, and Frank discussions leading to solutions is the best method even if what is being said 'hurts your feelings' or isn't socially acceptable. The nation is in turmoil and to dance around it with worrying about your social image, customs, or singing patriot songs while the nation is a damn sewage is un-wise. Abdillahi Yusuf method must be applied nation wide not the farmajo method of 'building up' hope when the nation shows their is no hope due to gaping hole in solutions. Hopefully our discussions can lead to generating hope when solutions are discussed.

I won't lie and many people know me here by now but I am the western version of Abdillahi Yusuf or similar to Farole family approach. Don't pay attention to the topic here but pay attention to the frankness(even if its true or not) as it hasn't been 'proven'. That's me once I set 'parameters' or 'shuruds' to discussions that lead to solutions, pointing my finger like ina farole.


I am not interested in a 5 year post or a single individual interest, were discussing a system that our people can co-exist and progress in peace with. This is beyond a single individual or personal interest, I focus on 'nidaam' 'structures and systems n state craft' not so much people but @Inquisitive_ made a valid point the social element if not addressed my erode the system itself so that's for another discussion following the same principle of honest/frank discussion leading to solutons and systems n structures.

The following solutions have been presented so far regarding our state

1. Centralism
2. Secession along colonial lines
3. Federalism

Centralism is inspired by colonial rule and bringing it to Somalia, it's foreign to our locals and was designed in the colonial interests only. It has inspired all our successive governments post independence to state collapse. Some want to 're-implement' it not demonstrating how we avoid another civil war over power or abuse of centralized power. Im suprised how people in somalia 'repeat' the past without adding progress or fine-tuning to anything, it explains why our society hasn't progressed before colonialism. Repeating the past without evolving to the future which requires constant 'updating' is a sure way of extinction.

Secession along colonial lines. Is our social system based on colonial identities, did it play a role in the civil war? how will it solve our civil war issues over power and while addressing our clan social system? If we fought over colonial identities I would entertain this. I would entertain this if it will lead to power n clan dynamics being addressed as they r fundamental drivers of the civil war, and I don't see this system will work

Clan Federalism - This can work becuz the social identity is clan, it addresses our state power dynamic by sharing it then killing each other over it. So it addresses power/clan dynamics. Can it be reformed of course or adapted but if it doesn't work along those clan/power parameters, it's futile becuz it's not addressing local dynamics, the colonial legacy of centralized rule, our state experience of centralized power, or the civil war.

I wish we learned the art of fine-tune/advance systems to our local issue, rather then copying foreign system that work for others but not for our locals or worse just copying the past and not adding an inch of progress.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Remember my dismissal of secession along colonial line, doesn't mean I don't think secession on clan lines wouldn't work, is it realistic? no, due to the current international order. If the international order changed to how it was prior to the colonial period, that's a different story and I may be entertaining this model. A peaceful divorce beats unproductive marriage. As long as the secession addresses power/clan dynamic which a clan secession would.

Their are risks to being independent tho such as no 'competition' like federalism will achieve, insignifcance globally, potential risk of being swallowed up larger unified states or in-direct rule(saudi to uae).

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Qabiil walbo dantiisa haduu ku mashquulo all will be good, the problem with somalis is in every qabiil there is caado qaato who work against the qabiil interest, who works for pennies in his own pocket, and as a result Somalia is the way it is, and Somalis are hopeless people. The only reason why Somalis survive to this day is because we are at heart geeljire and the geeljire lifestyle is hard, any other ethnic group would become like Red indians by now.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Qabiil walbo dantiisa haduu ku mashquulo all will be good, the problem with somalis is in every qabiil there is caado qaato who work against the qabiil interest, who works for pennies in his own pocket, and as a result Somalia is the way it is, and Somalis are hopeless people. The only reason why Somalis survive to this day is because we are at heart geeljire and the geeljire lifestyle is hard, any other ethnic group would become like Red indians by now.

Yes they can't separate personal interests, clan interest, regional interest, federal interest and look at the whole ppl well being becuz this idea i live u die doesn't work cuz they will just spread that death to u since they got nothing to live for, its a security risk for your well being not to ensure everyone wins.

Plus they can't separate their desires on somalia by copying other foreign systems unfit 4 local dynamics on ground(clan loyalties, civil war, colonial legacy on our previous govt centralized rule creating race to power arms race), they dont even add advancement or fine-tuning its either repeat the past or cut n paste foreign systems. Why not at least choose the good things that fit locally from a range of system and even tweaak it n advance it to local conditions.

Nope no brains. A bit from kingdoms like constitutional monarchy where ISIMO all in council have reserve powers to save the ppl but not political power n day to day running of govt, democracy, even the elements from where a productive dictatorship works in the state model, we cud have the best of everything but not this narrow 1 flavor to everything.

Surely elements of our nomadic culture needs to be added into it where it has positive results. We cud see china dictatorship elements n where it works and apply it cuz we will reap the result rather then just ignore they developed an economy of america size in 50 years and america it took 400 years.