Have you noticed that Somaliland is being featured in more maps?

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

Isaaqland will not rule daroods .

Stop with the inferiority complex, you simpleton.

Somaliland rules from Lawyacaddo (Djibouti border) to Tukaraq (Somalia border). If you don't like that then have the balls to do something about it. Stop crying about it on an internet forum.

 

[Gantaal97]

Somaliland leadership f*cked up, the chance for Somaliland independence was in during 2000-2017, when Somalia was in its weakest point. Step by step, lands south of Puntland are getting rid of Al-kebab. Galmudug is getting rid of Al-shabaab in this year and Inshallah the rest of Koonfuur in the next few years.

Bombings have dramatically decreased in Muqdisho and the city is developing quickly.


The bad SL leadership instead have sat on their asses and done nothing for the cause. Zero advancement in recognizion. The independence will not happen with current leadership and the quality of future leaders remain the same.

Only way I see SL getting independence is if they become geopolitcally relevant, as in they have a major power as an ally. This is the only way now.

Somaliland is independent if you mean recognition say it lol

Dw in time Xamar would recognize Somaliland cuz they can't keep the status quo where northern provinces are out of central govt reach and influnce so the only solution is to let go of it and probably discuss more important issues like the border disputes and what the border between Somaliland and Somalia would be and that of course in the consent of local communities.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Somalia is welcome to try and subjugate Somaliland again - the 30 years of horror, it is undergoing now, will be nothing compared to when we open the gates of hell on them.



If you really think that is what keeping Somaliland together you are in for a surprise.



An african country can get this out of a relationship from Taiwan and China.

China = Debt-trap diplomacy.

Taiwan = development/win-win/learn a man to fish and he will feed himself.



If that was the case, why did it not happen when South Sudan seceded from Sudan? it even when against the African Union charter on borders.

The Sudan is different. South and North Sudan are from different ethnic backgrounds, different religions, different culture and most importantly they suffered largely by the North Sudanese that inflicted genocide and slavery on them. Don't you dare to compare yourselfs to people that actually went through an "naar" on earth.

Ain't nobody talking about subjugation in the sense that somalia will invade somaliland. According to our constitution of 1960 and the current one somaliland is part of the republic. And the current gov is by our very own constitution an rebel group.


Think about it. The rebel groups fought against the dictatorship yet they govern like him. I wish this one was not true but alas it is.

China does that yes. Has it done that to the fgs no. Why didn't they do it? Because the fgs went against it as simple as that. Plus Somalia including Somaliland is in the process of majority of the debt squashed basically.

Why are you against an country when an dictator ruined the population. You are not special the southern somalis got the most to endure, they might not have been bombed but starvation is worse than instant to almost instant death wouldn't you say?

To be honest the new elite forces are more than capable enough to take the territories back from vila hargeisa the reason why they don't do it is because the so called enemy is somali just like why siad barre had to hire mercenaries to fly the fighter jets that bombed the northern cities.

Again i don't think you have the best for the population at hand. It doesn't make any sense, the quest for independence is hurting the population. They won't come to the tabl because they want control not the best for the population. Why else is development an qabiil issue in somaliland. Somehow the habar awal neighborhoods have somewhat better roads than other neighborhoods in hargeisa. Sool and sanaag are basically neglected to the point that they became reer flip flop just for some development. To paint the somali republic bad and do the very same things is just second hand embarrassment. They just lack the same resources to pull it of because one is an sovereign republic and one is an break away region.

 

[fais]

Somaliland is independent if you mean recognition say it lol

Dw in time Xamar would recognize Somaliland cuz they can't keep the status quo where northern provinces are out of central govt reach and influnce so the only solution is to let go of it and probably discuss more important issues like the border disputes and what the border between Somaliland and Somalia would be and that of course in the consent of local communities.

We will not entertain them with bullshit like that, the borders are non negotiable, Eritrea and Ethiopia when to war with more than 300.000 dead for a dusty little town called Badme, and you think we will give large swaps of land to Somalia.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

It seems you're ignorant about Eritrea history.

EPLF/ELF were the first rebel groups that were fighting against Ethiopian regime since the start of Eritrea independence war in 1960.
EPLF is the one that founded TPLF and armed it and gave training to its fighters becoming allies against the Derg regime when the regime fell TPLF had to let go of Eritrea cuz there's nothing they can do about it when EPLF was the one that helped them and their source of armament and the whole Eritrea was under EPLF rule.

Who lobbied for them?
Who gave them passports to travel the world to tell their stories?
Who trained their armed forces?
Who created that entire scenario to the last detail?
Say it with me Siad Barre did. He masterminded it.
Why did he do it? Revenge basically for the '77 war. Making Ethiopia landlocked rather thab creating Eritrea is the way to look at it since that was the goal from the get go.

 

[Gantaal97]

We will not entertain them with bullshit like that, the borders are non negotiable, Eritrea and Ethiopia when to war with more than 300.000 dead for a dusty little town called Badme, and you think we will give large swaps of land to Somalia.

The fact on the ground is Eastern communities aren't happy to be with SL and it's morally wrong to force them something they don't agree with like we have warsangeli deegans under PL rule for over a decade now cuz of Hargeysa negligence of that community.

If we are serious about keeping the integrity of our Eastern borders we should listen to them and do more investment in their areas and give them a real sami qaybsi

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Somaliland civil war was solved by its people when everyone got what it wanted and frontier communities were part of Somaliland state building and peace process so the civil war you're talking about isn't the same one that existed in your Somalia.

Somaliland is a independent state with its own laws and governing and also economically independent from Xamar with its own currency and it will be delusional to let go what we have achieved for the last 30 years for a pipe dream Somaliweyn when Somalia political system was built by foreigners that put tribal system in place of actual representation and we don't want that and we were never a party of whatever political leaders in Xamar agreed on with their international community partners that built the so called Federal system

What the f*ck are you saying. Somaliland and somalia create laws the very same damn way.

The somali republic of 1960 was everything but tribal. Yes the politicians have qabiils yet that was not their whole story like it is today with the politicians of today.

Being federal is the only difference. We have to much territory and not enough people to be an central governed nation. Being federal has it's perks. The idea of federalism is not new in somalia it was implemented to grant more autonomy to the states. What is so bad about creating your own path forward except some government authorities. Yaab badana atleast come with some common sense.

 

[Gantaal97]

Who lobbied for them?
Who gave them passports to travel the world to tell their stories?
Who trained their armed forces?
Who created that entire scenario to the last detail?
Say it with me Siad Barre did. He masterminded it.
Why did he do it? Revenge basically for the '77 war. Making Ethiopia landlocked rather thab creating Eritrea is the way to look at it since that was the goal from the get go.

Siyaad Barre did nothing for Eritrean resistance movement and nor did he fund them.
Eritrean resistance movement was actually helped by Sudanese regimes who armed them and allowed them to train and settled in Sudan which was the headquarters of EPLF/ELF movements and where the leadership stayed

 

[Gantaal97]

What the f*ck are you saying. Somaliland and somalia create laws the very same damn way.

The somali republic of 1960 was everything but tribal. Yes the politicians have qabiils yet that was not their whole story like it is today with the politicians of today.

Being federal is the only difference. We have to much territory and not enough people to be an central governed nation. Being federal has it's perks. The idea of federalism is not new in somalia it was implemented to grant more autonomy to the states. What is so bad about creating your own path forward except some government authorities. Yaab badana atleast come with some common sense.

What you're saying doesn't make common sense Somaliland won't be a part of a system it wasn't part of since the beginning.
Enjoy your tribal federal system you have there

 

[fais]

Who lobbied for them?
Who gave them passports to travel the world to tell their stories?
Who trained their armed forces?
Who created that entire scenario to the last detail?
Say it with me Siad Barre did. He masterminded it.
Why did he do it? Revenge basically for the '77 war. Making Ethiopia landlocked rather thab creating Eritrea is the way to look at it since that was the goal from the get go.

hahahaha this guy is nuts so you are telling us that without afwayne the eritreans never would have succeded

Dude the eritreans where fighting since 1961, what afwayne did in their struggle was just a footnote in the history of their war of independence...

 

[fais]

The fact on the ground is Eastern communities aren't happy to be with SL and it's morally wrong to force them something they don't agree with like we have warsangeli deegans under PL rule for over a decade now cuz of Hargeysa negligence of that community.

If we are serious about keeping the integrity of our Eastern borders we should listen to them and do more investment in their areas and give them a real sami qaybsi

The borders of Somaliland is located between Latitude 8’ to 11’ 30’ north of the equator and Longitude 42’ 45 to 49’ East, nothing more nothing less.

The distributions of development and investment is the internal affaires of the people in Somaliland.

If communities feel left out and without influence then it should be addressed within the people and government of Somaliland but give up territory, never!

 

[Gantaal97]

hahahaha this guy is nuts so you are telling us that without afwayne the eritreans never would have succeded

Dude the eritreans where fighting since 1961, what afwayne did in their struggle was just a footnote in the history of their war of independence...

He did zero and no one in Eritrea actually knows that dude lol while Sudan and China did a lot for them for example Sudan hosted Eritrean rebels group camp in its territories with weapons and training coming from China like Eritrea president or dictator afwerki was trained by china in the 60s

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

The fact on the ground is Eastern communities aren't happy to be with SL and it's morally wrong to force them something they don't agree with like we have warsangeli deegans under PL rule for over a decade now cuz of Hargeysa negligence of that community.

If we are serious about keeping the integrity of our Eastern borders we should listen to them and do more investment in their areas and give them a real sami qaybsi

Here is the reality, saaxib.
Significant elements of Somaliland did not want to unite with Somalia in 1960. This including the majority of the Habar Awal and Cigaal himself. Yet, because the majority chose to unite with Somalia, those that were outvoted accepted it and in the case of Cigaal actually led the delegation that went south to formalize the union.

In 1991, every Somaliland clan sent their representatives to the Burco & Borama conferences. They all agreed to regain Somaliland's independence. If anyone opposed the Independence of Somaliland, why didn't they object at that point?

In 2002 the referendum was held that ratified the constitution. If anyone opposed Somaliland then, why didn't they go out and vote against it?

All that is happening now is that there are sections of cuqdad ridden qabiilists who don't like the fact that the Isaaq is the majority in Somaliland. No borders should be based on the basis of such vermin ideology.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

What you're saying doesn't make common sense Somaliland won't be a part of a system it wasn't part of since the beginning.
Enjoy your tribal federal system you have there

What beginning? Do you mean the 1 july 1960 unification? We still celebrate both independence days the 26 june British Somaliland independence day and the 1 july unification and independence day.
You guys are part of it.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

hahahaha this guy is nuts so you are telling us that without afwayne the eritreans never would have succeded

Dude the eritreans where fighting since 1961, what afwayne did in their struggle was just a footnote in the history of their war of independence...

Siad barre was the thing they needed. This man fucked up the whole horn. If he never rose to power Eritrea might still have been fighting Ethiopia today.

 

[fais]

Siad barre was the thing they needed. This man fucked up the whole horn. If he never rose to power Eritrea might still have been fighting Ethiopia today.

Go and say that to an eritrean.....

 

[Gantaal97]

Siad barre was the thing they needed. This man fucked up the whole horn. If he never rose to power Eritrea might still have been fighting Ethiopia today.

Eritrea is independent cuz of their people first and secondly the Arab support particularly Sudan

 

[Gantaal97]

What beginning? Do you mean the 1 july 1960 unification? We still celebrate both independence days the 26 june British Somaliland independence day and the 1 july unification and independence day.
You guys are part of it.

We aren't part of your state and we don't care if you celebrate 26th June

 

[fais]

What beginning? Do you mean the 1 july 1960 unification? We still celebrate both independence days the 26 june British Somaliland independence day and the 1 july unification and independence day.
You guys are part of it.

Go and waste your time on a day that don't concern you and some chairs that don't represent nothing more than the people sitting on them...

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

hahahaha this guy is nuts so you are telling us that without afwayne the eritreans never would have succeded

Dude the eritreans where fighting since 1961, what afwayne did in their struggle was just a footnote in the history of their war of independence...

What did I tell you guys about wasting your time with this guy?

Afweyne died shitting himself to death in a Nigerian toilet while the mooryaan ran loose back in his house, yet he was somehow the most powerful guy the world has ever seen?


Don't entertain his delusions lads.