Has anyone here visited Rwanda

[Pioneer]

So this what happens when sit and think before doing something.

 

[Pioneer]

Wow it looks beautiful

You old pfp looked good, becoz you looked Somali,

but now pfp looks like you are from Barbados

 

[Caaro]

And who will visit the country. I plan on going there inshallah. Some Congolese friends are willing to make the trip with me. But then Corona happened. So after it's done in sha Allah.

2 countries I respect very much in Africa, Rwanda and Ghana.

Rwanda has been on the come up for the past few decades. They were once in the same condition as Somalia, but they fixed up. What's crazy is that they're still developing. Insha'allah Somalia takes after them

 

[Caaro]

Except his iron fist dictatorship and brutal executions are still going on, Kagame leads a country that’s just his own playground a playground that relies on western funding and support to operate. The man is just like every other authoritarian African leader, except this time he understands public sentiment and is far more intelligent than his predecessors.

Autocratic governments such as dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy etc only work well when the leader is competent. If you have a smart competent leader who's making all the calls then it's extremely efficient. Unlike democracy which takes so long to decide on a single thing. Somalia and Siad Barre was a good example, before he went crazy and paranoid he was actually leading Somalia pretty well. As soon as he was assassinated Somalia fell to the ground. So there's nothing wrong with dictatorship unless it's in the hands of the wrong person/people (which it usually is).

 

[Caaro]

He's the West poster boy for pseudo development in Africa... i.e. follow IMF instructions and put up some nice buildings but leave the rest of your country as a dump.

Not really shitting on my fellow Africans here since it isn't their fault. This is what'll happen to us if we let foreign powers pick our leaders.

They barely have a gdp per capita higher than ours whilst having a similar sized population but access to 10x more resources.

If we lived next door to the Kivu mines our capital would look like Tokyo by now.

The only reason the West picked him is because he's their gateway to the loot across the border in the DRC and he probably manages a bunch of mines there for them through Rwandan sponsored militias.

Rwanda's economy has averaged an increase of 8% throughout the last decade. Which means that its economy has grown 80% since 2010 (almost double). It doesn't have 10x the resources of Somalia, Somalia has untapped reserves of numerous natural resources, including uranium, iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt and natural gas. All of these are still the same and haven't been touched, if Somalia can start tapping into it it could probably grow at the same rate as Rwanda or even faster. Only problem is the Al-Shabab that would limit this, there have already been rumours of the Al-Shabab selling the Uranium to Iran.

 

[The_Arab]

Why the hell not

To all of you in this thread who are praising their development, they got there in a much more sinister way than you think. RIP Congo.

 

[Ras]

Rwanda's economy has averaged an increase of 8% throughout the last decade. Which means that its economy has grown 80% since 2010 (almost double). It doesn't have 10x the resources of Somalia, Somalia has untapped reserves of numerous natural resources, including uranium, iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt and natural gas. All of these are still the same and haven't been touched, if Somalia can start tapping into it it could probably grow at the same rate as Rwanda or even faster. Only problem is the Al-Shabab that would limit this, there have already been rumours of the Al-Shabab selling the Uranium to Iran.

Not sure bout uranium but we barely have any commercial deposits of those other resources. If we did we'd be mining them even with bullets flying over our heads.

We don't have any oil either... we ain't got shit sxb or we wouldn't even be in this situation.

The only cake left is gubernment monie so every red eyed opportunist is focused on it hence our predicament.

Btw that 5% since 1994 I posted above is actually the higher number... the nominal figure is a gdp per capita of $800... so a lot less than 5% growth.

 

[Caaro]

Not sure bout uranium but we barely have any commercial deposits of those other resources. If we did we'd be mining them even with bullets flying over our heads.

We don't have any oil either... we ain't got shit sxb or we wouldn't even be in this situation.

The only cake left is gubernment monie so every red eyed opportunist is focused on it hence our predicament.

Btw that 5% since 1994 I posted above is actually the higher number... the nominal figure is a gdp per capita of $800... so a lot less than 5% growth.

Did you even research it at all? Wtf? ANd the fear is not bullets flying over our heads, it's that the Al-Shabab will take over those mining sites. If they can take over towns they can take over small mining spots, not to mention after you mine all the resources you have to transport it out the mine and to a city, while you're transporting it it could easily get hijacked. Just search up the resources Somalia has instead of just guessing. Another reason is that Somalia doesn't have the equipment or knowledge on how to safely extract oil and other resources.

 

[Ras]

Did you even research it at all? Wtf? ANd the fear is not bullets flying over our heads, it's that the Al-Shabab will take over those mining sites. If they can take over towns they can take over small mining spots, not to mention after you mine all the resources you have to transport it out the mine and to a city, while you're transporting it it could easily get hijacked. Just search up the resources Somalia has instead of just guessing. Another reason is that Somalia doesn't have the equipment or knowledge on how to safely extract oil and other resources.

Sxb please bring your brain along next time.

If you have access to a ton of resources you could easily afford to outgun Al Shabaab. The reason why our government is weak isn't because Al Shabaab is strong it's because our government hasn't got 2 cents to rub together.

Forget funds for weapons. Money can buy influence. You can lobby other governments to look the other way while you karbash your opps.

On your last point....

We don't need the knowledge ourselves to be able to benefit from it initially.

The moment it's been proven that we have commercially viable deposits of any kind we would have hundreds of multinationals lining up to not only to help us develop those resources but also to prop up our government.

The reason why no one gives a shit about Somalia is because it's already clear the place is a dud.

What do you think the colonizers, soviets and americans been doing surveying our land for the past century... sightseeing?

 

[Pipit]

Read a tweet made by a Kenyan guy saying “Kigali is the Addis Ababa of central Africa” what he meant was that the government only developed the capital just like Ethio

 

[The alchemist]

Kigali looks clean, and Kagame uses good PR to highlight the good aspect, which is nice. But the living conditions of Rwandans have not improved to the degree people usually think.

A country like Botswana has developed far more, thanks to Seretse, who chose pragmatism over ideology and made the 3rd most impoverished country in Africa to one of the richest and least corrupt.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Kigali looks clean, and Kagame uses good PR to highlight the good aspect, which is nice. But the living conditions of Rwandans have not improved to the degree people usually think.

A country like Botswana has developed far more, thanks to Seretse, who chose pragmatism over ideology and made the 3rd most impoverished country in Africa to one of the richest and least corrupt.

I agree Botswana Is awesome. Let's go there akhi and f*ck some big booty Zulu qumayos

 

[The alchemist]

I agree Botswana I awesome. Let's go there akhi and f*ck some big booty Zulu qumayos

 

[Basra]

 

[Caaro]

Sxb please bring your brain along next time.

If you have access to a ton of resources you could easily afford to outgun Al Shabaab. The reason why our government is weak isn't because Al Shabaab is strong it's because our government hasn't got 2 cents to rub together.

Forget funds for weapons. Money can buy influence. You can lobby other governments to look the other way while you karbash your opps.

On your last point....

We don't need the knowledge ourselves to be able to benefit from it initially.

The moment it's been proven that we have commercially viable deposits of any kind we would have hundreds of multinationals lining up to not only to help us develop those resources but also to prop up our government.

The reason why no one gives a shit about Somalia is because it's already clear the place is a dud.

What do you think the colonizers, soviets and americans been doing surveying our land for the past century... sightseeing?

Why do you think Turkey is helping us? Because they love us? Of course not, they're exoecting a payback with resources if they can help us get back on our feet

Sxb please bring your brain along next time.

If you have access to a ton of resources you could easily afford to outgun Al Shabaab. The reason why our government is weak isn't because Al Shabaab is strong it's because our government hasn't got 2 cents to rub together.

Forget funds for weapons. Money can buy influence. You can lobby other governments to look the other way while you karbash your opps.

On your last point....

We don't need the knowledge ourselves to be able to benefit from it initially.

The moment it's been proven that we have commercially viable deposits of any kind we would have hundreds of multinationals lining up to not only to help us develop those resources but also to prop up our government.

The reason why no one gives a shit about Somalia is because it's already clear the place is a dud.

What do you think the colonizers, soviets and americans been doing surveying our land for the past century... sightseeing?

I see where you're coming from. You're seeing if we had resources that'd automatically make us rich? That's not how it works, we'd have to first sell the resources or trade it to become rich, inorder to do that we must mine the resources at a massive scale. To do that we would need heavy equipments (that we don't have), trained personnel (that we dont't have), Infrastructure to hold and process the resources (that we don't have), and knowledge on how to most efficiently extract the resources and refine/process it (that we don't have). There's a reason why Turkey is investing heavily on us. Not because they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, but they expect profits. Again, all I'm asking of you is to just go online and research this for 5 minutes! That's it! There's no need to speculate or make educated guesses when you have the internet on hand.

 

[The alchemist]

Why do you think Turkey is helping us? Because they love us? Of course not, they're exoecting a payback with resources if they can help us get back on our feet

True. Turkey did what it did in Somalia to establish a first-mover advantage market position, willing to take more risk and exploit political resources than western nations to gain pioneering benefits when Somalia's reasonably developed.

 

[Ras]

Why do you think Turkey is helping us? Because they love us? Of course not, they're exoecting a payback with resources if they can help us get back on our feet

I see where you're coming from. You're seeing if we had resources that'd automatically make us rich? That's not how it works, we'd have to first sell the resources or trade it to become rich, inorder to do that we must mine the resources at a massive scale. To do that we would need heavy equipments (that we don't have), trained personnel (that we dont't have), Infrastructure to hold and process the resources (that we don't have), and knowledge on how to most efficiently extract the resources and refine/process it (that we don't have). There's a reason why Turkey is investing heavily on us. Not because they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, but they expect profits. Again, all I'm asking of you is to just go online and research this for 5 minutes! That's it! There's no need to speculate or make educated guesses when you have the internet on hand.

You think Turkey would have first dips if we actually had resources worth anything?

They'd be at the back of the queue way behind UK, US, China etc...

It's because we don't have much to offer you see tiny regional powers like Turkey thinking they have a shot at putting us under their sphere of influence.

Turkey isn't after our oil or minerals. It's an ego play for Erdogan and a way for him to launder Turkish tax payer money through hiring his clique to build out development projects.

Erdogan's main goal is to get paid, secondly to be seen as a global player and finally because he pities us.

I see where you're coming from. You're seeing if we had resources that'd automatically make us rich? That's not how it works, we'd have to first sell the resources or trade it to become rich, inorder to do that we must mine the resources at a massive scale. To do that we would need heavy equipments (that we don't have), trained personnel (that we dont't have), Infrastructure to hold and process the resources (that we don't have), and knowledge on how to most efficiently extract the resources and refine/process it (that we don't have). There's a reason why Turkey is investing heavily on us. Not because they're doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, but they expect profits. Again, all I'm asking of you is to just go online and research this for 5 minutes! That's it! There's no need to speculate or make educated guesses when you have the internet on hand.

You also left your reading skills. Do you think Gulf Arabs or most African states had the infrastructure or skilled human resources back when they first dug the first wells?

All that comes once the deposit has been proven, securitized and sold through the capital markets.

If anyone found any oil or worthwhile resources in Somalia over the past 50 years prior to the war someone would've bankrolled the whole project. We wouldn't need to do anything.

The mining pr oil company would lobby the World Bank or IMF to throw the government a couple billion which we would be instructed to use to consolidate power in the country.

We'd also have military advisors, access to intelligence and modern weapons before the first drop of oil came out.

Familiar with venture capital? ... well this would be the geopolitics equivalent.

 

[Yahya]

Say what you will but Lord Kagame and the brothers are remnants of cushitics in the south east of africa and they are pushing back the bantu expansion using the congo resources.

Mashallah, may they succeed in their quest.

 

[Caaro]

You think Turkey would have first dips if we actually had resources worth anything?

They'd be at the back of the queue way behind UK, US, China etc...

It's because we don't have much to offer you see tiny regional powers like Turkey thinking they have a shot at putting us under their sphere of influence.

Turkey isn't after our oil or minerals. It's an ego play for Erdogan and a way for him to launder Turkish tax payer money through hiring his clique to build out development projects.

Erdogan's main goal is to get paid, secondly to be seen as a global player and finally because he pities us.




You also left your reading skills. Do you think Gulf Arabs or most African states had the infrastructure or skilled human resources back when they first dug the first wells?

All that comes once the deposit has been proven, securitized and sold through the capital markets.

If anyone found any oil or worthwhile resources in Somalia over the past 50 years prior to the war someone would've bankrolled the whole project. We wouldn't need to do anything.

The mining pr oil company would lobby the World Bank or IMF to throw the government a couple billion which we would be instructed to use to consolidate power in the country.

We'd also have military advisors, access to intelligence and modern weapons before the first drop of oil came out.

Familiar with venture capital? ... well this would be the geopolitics equivalent.

I'm not gonna say anything other than go online and research. all it takes is a quick google search, I won't sit here debating with you when the answer is easily accessible for you. If you want the answer go search it up, if you insist you're right and don't even go online to search about it then no matter what I say you won't change anyway you think.

 

[Ras]

I'm not gonna say anything other than go online and research. all it takes is a quick google search, I won't sit here debating with you when the answer is easily accessible for you. If you want the answer go search it up, if you insist you're right and don't even go online to search about it then no matter what I say you won't change anyway you think.

jajaja that what I expect as a response lol. It's obvious you don't want to bring up any "evidence" to back up what you're saying since you already know it's weak.

Most articles on Somalia's resources are from small shady companies trying to scam some investors or from our own media parroting the former group.