Has any Harari Taken a ydna

[CulturedKay]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

That's impossible! Karanle of the 4 subclans
- Gidir
- sexawle
- kaariye
- murusade.(waadheere)

I understand if you were to say that karanle's of Ethiopia's DNA may differ maternaly due to (possible) intermarriage with non somali women, however from the father's side absolutely not.

Whats your reasoning behind this?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

That's impossible! Karanle of the 4 subclans
- Gidir
- sexawle
- kaariye
- murusade.(waadheere)

I understand if you were to say that karanle's of Ethiopia's DNA may differ maternaly due to (possible) intermarriage with non somali women, however from the father's side absolutely not.

Whats your reasoning behind this?

Its early days. Its possible that a large percentage of the Karanle share the same paternal Y haplogroup. However so far there seems to be a pattern of the Somali clans that don't border each generally don't seem to share a paternal Y haplogroup. It makes sense because when sub clans establish themself in other regions they used to displace the native clans or allow them to assimilate into their clan.

 

[CulturedKay]

Okay interesting, I'm not very familiar with the haplogroups, what are the most common haplogroups within the Somalis? What's halpgroup T?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Majority of Somalis are EV32, while vast majority of north west Dir are haplogroup T.

 

[CulturedKay]

And what is the origin of haplogroup T?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Middle Eastern Turkey Iraq region. However they might have spent thousands of years in eastern Saudi Arabia.

 

[CulturedKay]

Okay, I heard someone saying something about the Israafiil Sabti tribe of murusade has a different haplogroup than its fellow clans men?

Do you know anything about that?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Okay, I heard someone saying something about the Israafiil Sabti tribe of murusade has a different haplogroup than its fellow clans men?

Do you know anything about that?

So far 2 Karanle have taken the test Murusade he is EV32, he has upgraded to yfull so he will know wich sub clade of EV32 he is. Another Karanle on 23sndme is said to belong to haplogroup T.

 

[CulturedKay]

What is the latter karanle's sub clan?

So I can have an idea?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Not sure. But I'm assuming he was must have originated in Zeiyla, and Dire Dawe region and moved more interior into the Hararghe region. Did you know Karanle and some Marehan reer Diini and reer Garaad and ina Nur sub clans of Marehan share Babili Town, it would be fascinating to know what haplogroups those communities are.

 

[CulturedKay]

Interesting, I do know that the Karanle were the Garaads of the Hobat since before Imam ahmed gurey as his father Garad Ibrahim was and garad Abun adaadshe.

I did hear that ibn nur was his nephew (sister's son).Allaahu a'lam.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Tradition testifies Emir Nur Mujahid was from Somali-Darod tribe of Marehan"

You can read the journal piece here;

Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert on JSTOR

Kurt Wendt, Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert, Orientalia, NOVA SERIES, Vol. 4 (1935), pp. 484-501

www.jstor.org

The German got the complete name of Emir Nur down saying he is;

Nur Ali Abdullahi of ad-Dhuha Suha/Marehan

Marehan have his abtirsi down as

Nur Ali Abdullahi Nur Yusuf Mataan Ciis Ahmed Mohamed Da'ud Abadir of reer Hodanbari/Mareexaan.

http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

Notice his family surname is listed as ad-Dhuha Suha family in the German piece and in Marehan geneology he is part of reer Hodanbari

Dhuha = morning
Suha: beautiful/amazing

Hodan: wealthy/amazing (dhulkaan waa hodan)
Bari ; daybreak/early morning (nabad ku bari)

The family name is basically "waking up to a beautiful, vibrant morning" or "morning light"

There's other sources independent of this that are from the 1970s that state he is Marehan. Marehan inherited the Adal Sultanate after the Imam's death. Emir Nur's descendants, the Ina Nur guarded his tomb in Harar to this day.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Interesting, I do know that the Karanle were the Garaads of the Hobat since before Imam ahmed gurey as his father Garad Ibrahim was and garad Abun adaadshe.

I did hear that ibn nur was his nephew (sister's son).Allaahu a'lam.

After the death of Ugaas Diini in Galmudug, some of his sons moved back to Babili, while some sub clans of reer Garaad and reer ina Nur Marehan's never left Babili.

 

[CulturedKay]

Okay Mashallah.

I'll definitely ask my Dad aswell for more info.

There is a possibility they were related as his sister could have been married to a marehaan

 

[CulturedKay]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

Just spoke to Dad and the only marehaan that is well known in babille are Reer Geedi.

He also said they are very small in number within Babile.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

Just spoke to Dad and the only marehaan that is well known in babille are Reer Geedi.

He also said they are very small in number within Babile.

What sub clan of Marehan are they?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

Just spoke to Dad and the only marehaan that is well known in babille are Reer Geedi.

He also said they are very small in number within Babile.

Ask your Dad to take the Yfull test.He woold be the first reer Hobat Karanle, to have taken the test.

 

[CulturedKay]

I'm not sure, he just said they were marehaan and known as reer geedi

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I heard there are some reer ugaas Sharmarke Diini that moved back to Babili around 100 years ago maybe it's them.

 

[CulturedKay]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan


A well known business man named Ahmed marehaan was from that tribe.

Re- DNA testing according to my Dad, the Somalis intermarry quite often from, harar, babile, funya biro all the way to Iimey (where the karanle's also live), liiban zone.

My father is heavy mixed with ogaden, Geri kombe, even harari.

He said something interesting about Harari, he mentions that they are like the reer Xamar of mugadisho. They came from the middle east, like modern day saudi, Iraq and Oman. They married the locals of of Harar and they claim the tribe that they mix with.

He said there are even some hararis that claim Geri or karanle or Ogaden due to 'iskaashato'.

Also, it's worth noting that a sub clan of Karanle called 'Kaariye' is almost extinct. They were heavily oromofied and have mixed heavily with the hararis and oromos.

So theres not much left of them.