Harla - Hubat connection

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That’s why others are saying the same as well

 

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@Maakhri2024
The Arabic says “Kazla” but the likelihood is that it is a spelling error. Remember, these explorers didn’t visit the area, it is what they were told. This Ibn Said guy didn’t leave the coast. Never went inland

The Karanle are not specified as Ethiopians in the original text but due to being known among the Habash and bordering them its possible that peter and others were guessworking here. From what we do know, the land of the Berber (Somali) ppl was between Zayla to Merca but how far inland belongs to the Barbar was never sufficiently deduced by foreign visitors which visitors themselves will admit.

 

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@Maakhri2024

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Ok first of all

The inference is more important than the spelling. In the first line Ibn Maghribi says Halsha instead of Habasha. Secondly the description, longitude and latitude given points to the Horn specifically Somalia/Ethiopia area.

The denotation or grouping of people is not important as Maghribi and others didn't visit the interior but rather took word from merchants and visitors. It is for this reason we know Zaila is sometimes called a Christian Port of the Habash and Xamar a port of the Zanj. One of the characteristics of the Karanle known to the Habasha is their beauty.

From this we know Hubat and Karanle is being reffered to as Da Marco Vicano excavated the Hararge Mountains and found Chinese coins dating back to the Ayyubid era and gold mines, which demonstrate a highly advanced group living in the vicinity.

Bro these coins pre-date major somali qabiils does that mean harla weren't somali?

 

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Bro these coins pre-date major somali qabiils does that mean harla weren't somali?

Ayubid and Song Dynasty era were recent from the 11th century. Dir, Gardheere, Hawiye etc were present at the time.

 

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Ayubid and Song Dynasty era were recent from the 11th century. Dir, Gardheere, Hawiye etc were present at the time.

U sure hawiye existed at that time?

 

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U sure hawiye existed at that time?

Yeah bro. Hawiye were documented living in Xaafuun Puntland down all the way to Merca in Lower Shabelle as early as the 1100s by Al Idrisi and the 1200s by Ibn Said.

 

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U sure hawiye existed at that time?

I suspect all three of the main clan families likley were present in the preislamic period since we get refrences to jabart (aka darod) from the 800s which likley means it dates back to the preislamic period. and its universally recognized in somali oral tradition that dir and hawiye are older clan families.

 

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I suspect all three of the main clan families likley were present in the preislamic period since we get refrences to jabart (aka darod) from the 800s which likley means it dates back to the preislamic period. and its universally recognized in somali oral tradition that dir and hawiye are older clan families.

Jabarti was a name known for somalis bro but daarod became the most famous one later