"Hamza Yusuf claims Islam has no right to the truth!"

[AMusee]

 

[The alchemist]

He quotes a man who placed Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the worst hell in his literary story and with heinous and horrific descriptions that attempted to defile the image of our beloved Messenger (PBUH). How can a Muslim reference from Dante, a writer with immense hate for Muslims and our beloved Prophet (PBUH), extract a lesson from the same literary chain of corpus?

I don't trust him.

 

[Farax bin Cabdi bin Bakri]

Any Muslim who sees Hamza Yusuf as a scholar is severely misguided, you simply cannot defend the numerous statements against Islam he has made, the Sufi chants he participates in, and undermining Islamic law as a whole.

His teacher literally had several clips chanting songs with shirk in them, and has been warned against by numerous scholars. I’m shocked there’s even people defending him here but I suppose this is the result when proper Islam teachings have been obfuscated from many.

 

[World]

He takes the Deen from the Yemeni Quboori Al Jifri(who's a modernist himself). That should tell you everything you need to know about him.

As for the people saying these are edited videos taken out of context, maybe you guys should bring the full videos and show us how he didn't mean what he is saying. That would be a proper way to defend your Sheikh.

You guys are the ones accusing him. So bring the proof.

 

[TekNiKo]

Any Muslim who sees Hamza Yusuf as a scholar is severely misguided, you simply cannot defend the numerous statements against Islam he has made, the Sufi chants he participates in, and undermining Islamic law as a whole.

His teacher literally had several clips chanting songs with shirk in them, and has been warned against by numerous scholars. I’m shocked there’s even people defending him here but I suppose this is the result when proper Islam teachings have been obfuscated from many.

Burdaa has never known to be shirk nor Nabi Amaan. It is a recent Neo Salafi phenonomem just like banning Mawliid. Go call Imam Nawawi a deviant who approved of it

 

[Awdalite]

'Ulama and who are these? You know that Ibn Bayyah, for example, signed the 'Amman Message' where he agreed with its content. In that document, they specify which sects are considered 'Orthodox,' including Shi'as and Suf'is.

That was his ijtihad, whether or not he was mistaken doesn't really matter as the requirement is you based your judgement on what you think is correct based on the circumstances.
Sufism isn't a sect, read some of the books of Ibn Qayyum who was a big Sufi himself.

 

[Farax bin Cabdi bin Bakri]

Burdaa has never known to be shirk nor Nabi Amaan. It is a recent Neo Salafi phenonomem just like banning Mawliid. Go call Imam Nawawi a deviant who approved of it

My specific comment was in reference Ali Jifri, in any case you’re using terms that literally make no sense what is a neo salafi And how is forbidding mawlid something recent? Many early scholars noted it to be bidah.

You have gaps in your knowledge to think any salafi would call nawawi a deviant and the differences between making an error, and one being a major deviant caller to misguidance like hamza Yusuf.

You have no defence for his actions it’s just pure hizbiyah that you defend hamza Yusuf. How you can class someone like him and the four imams as both scholars is an insult.

 

[TekNiKo]

My specific comment was in reference Ali Jifri, in any case you’re using terms that literally make no sense what is a neo salafi And how is forbidding mawlid something recent? Many early scholars noted it to be bidah.

You have gaps in your knowledge to think any salafi would call nawawi a deviant and the differences between making an error, and one being a major deviant caller to misguidance like hamza Yusuf.

You have no defence for his actions it’s just pure hizbiyah that you defend hamza Yusuf. How you can class someone like him and the four imams as both scholars is an insult.

Imam Nawawi approved of Mawliid and is considered Shaykhul Islam of his time. He doesnt do errors.

Also leave your filthy tongue from Mawlana Habib Cali Jifri he is one of my favourite scholars and exposes neo Salafi (Salafiyyah Jadidiyah” that you perscribe to. What is your aqeedah Ibn wahab’s kitabul Tawxeed?

You people even make takfir on ahlu bait wal ciyaadu billah.

 

[Farax bin Cabdi bin Bakri]

Imam Nawawi approved of Mawliid and is considered Shaykhul Islam of his time. He doesnt do errors.

Also leave your filthy tongue from Mawlana Habib Cali Jifri he is one of my favourite scholars and exposes neo Salafi (Salafiyyah Jadidiyah” that you perscribe to. What is your aqeedah Ibn wahab’s kitabul Tawxeed?

You people even make takfir on ahlu bait wal ciyaadu billah.

So now you’ve swore on your creator, who do salafis make takfir of from ahlul bayt?

Secondly is your “Mawlana” the same mushrik that claimed a wali can create a fetus without a father? Who fabricates stories about Jabreel and Allah, who chants songs of shirk? Wallahi you insult Islam calling that man anything other than the caller to hell fire that he is.

Thirdly, you’ve missed the point entirely, an-Nawawi (رحمه الله) and all other scholars are not infallible, they are able to make mistakes, if you don’t believe this then I don’t know what else to tell you. The point is these are not excusable one off mistakes from hamza Yusuf he has a whole deviant ideology which is different and why he is to be warned against.

Also your point on neo salafi has to be a joke, الحمد لله the aqeedah I follow is that of the salaf and comes from the Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Yibir_]

"there are truths in all religions".... even satanism???

but that is not the topic. if you heard what he said, what he said sounded like it was way beyond just "there are truths in various religions".

that's not the issue. if someone says "there are aspects in Hinduism that seem to point towards monotheism" or something- I have no problem with that. and I don't think that's anything wrong.

but if you say "there are multiple paths to God, Islam is just one of many paths to God alongside Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and other traditions.... Islam is not the only true religion and in fact Islam is not the ultimate truth.... rather it, equally alongside other faith traditions, is only one of many multiple valid manifestations and interpretations of one single true path, which is contained in all the major religions".....

ok, the person who says this- that person I think is not even a Muslim but is a kaffir.... that seems to be the kind of thought that Hamza Yusuf is expressing....

I don't go around reading scriptures of other religions but I have studied other religions when I was younger and yes I think there may be some things that are true in other religions but that is a completely different issue.... and also btw I advise against studying scriptures of other religions, as there is a hadith that seems to warn agains this

The premise of a higher to strive for and a lower to shun is found in all religious doctrines and philosophies which aim to reorganise human life and society as a whole, that truth is found everywhere, even in satanism yes even-though their higher is the freedom to indulge in base desires.

There are not multiple paths to God, I do not believe Hamza Yusuf is alluding to that but to the higher principles and moral dogmas all religions espouse in their literature - the pursuit of the perfect. Some of the other points are ashari-esque and as we all know philosophers make broad and sweeping generalisations.

also btw I advise against studying scriptures of other religions

Ditto. Not that I haven’t, my studies have made me more appreciative of the monotheistic imageless cult (islam) and the dignity, wisdom and strength found within, it has also helped in developing genuine love for Muhammad swt and his predecessors who dedicated their lives for its perpetuation.

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Abdalla]

Imam Nawawi approved of Mawliid and is considered Shaykhul Islam of his time. He doesnt do errors.

Also leave your filthy tongue from Mawlana Habib Cali Jifri he is one of my favourite scholars and exposes neo Salafi (Salafiyyah Jadidiyah” that you perscribe to. What is your aqeedah Ibn wahab’s kitabul Tawxeed?

You people even make takfir on ahlu bait wal ciyaadu billah.

Subhanallah everyone errors, the prophet said every son of Adam errors.

Which member of ahlu bait have we made takfir upon?

 

[Hamzza]

Subhanallah everyone errors, the prophet said every son of Adam errors.

Which member of ahlu bait have we made takfir upon?

Abu Lahab probably

Tekniko the illiterate is as clueless here as he is in the politics section

 

[Abdalla]

Abu Lahab probably

Tekniko the illiterate is as clueless here as he is in the politics section

Or maybe Abu Talib?

I’m curious to know which ahlu bait member salafis make takfir upon @TekNiKo ?

 

[Hamzza]

Or maybe Abu Talib?

I’m curious to know which ahlu bait member salafis make takfir upon @TekNiKo ?

Or the parents of the prophet ﷺ. Ironically, Imam Al Nawawi(who's infallible to him) believed them to be in hell.