Haile Selassie had haplogroup T-L208

[Emir of Zayla]

There were a lot of Somalis who settled in the Ethiopian Highlands before and after the conquest of Abyssinia. I may drop some stuff I’ve been keeping in the backburner if this is all true.

 

[EritreanPost_]

Who conquered galbeed again? it was the British

The british and the ethiopians conquered Galbeed. King Menelik added eastern zone to Ethiopia (Harar+Galbeed) of course with the help of the british.

Ethiopia also annexed Djibouti before the french colonized them

during the end of 19th the Ethiopian empire was at its stongest level. Most territiries were annexedvat that time

 

[Cartan Boos]

The british and the ethiopians conquered Galbeed. King Menelik added eastern zone to Ethiopia (Harar+Galbeed) of course with the help of the british.

Ethiopia also annexed Djibouti before the french colonized them

during the end of 19th the Ethiopian empire was at its stongest level. Most territiries were annexedvat that time

The darvish destroyed the s and took hararge from them, they only took Harar with help of British then the job was done by the British taking galbeed alone by dividing the clans, the clan in galbeed didn't even know they were under Ethiopia tills 60s their power was that weak, i don't know about djbouti, waryaa is it true @Khaemwaset

 

[EritreanPost_]

The darvish destroyed the s and took hararge from them, they only took Harar with help of British then the job was done by the British taking galbeed alone by dividing the clans, the clan in galbeed didn't even know they were under Ethiopia tills 60s their power was that weak, i don't know about djbouti, waryaa is it true @Khaemwaset

Walal Ethiopia was always fighting its wars and expansion witg support of the westerners.

they fought with portugese against Adal, and they fought in Galbeed with the british like they did in 2006 with american air power.

Thats how they got Eritrea Djibouti and Galbeed annexed.

The lands of Ciise were annexed by Ethiopia. And to what I know Ethiopian King Menelik signed a pact with France to lease Djibouti for 99 years to france. Then Ethiopia supposed to annex Djibouti in 1977.

 

[NidarNidar]

Walal Ethiopia was always fighting its wars and expansion witg support of the westerners.

they fought with portugese against Adal, and they fought in Galbeed with the british like they did in 2006 with american air power.

Thats how they got Eritrea Djibouti and Galbeed annexed.

The lands of Ciise were annexed by Ethiopia. And to what I know Ethiopian King Menelik signed a pact with France to lease Djibouti for 99 years to france. Then Ethiopia supposed to annex Djibouti in 1977.

This isn't factually incorrect brother, Ethiopia has never ruled Djibouti directly, they never had the power to hold onto it, they were to busy staying in power in their serfdom, based on my understanding, Zeila and the surrounding areas, including what is now Djibouti City, were ruled by the Adal Kingdom from around 900 to 1285, followed by the Ifat Sultanate from 1285 to 1415. After that, the Adal Sultanate reemerged and controlled the region from 1415 until 1577. The Ottoman Empire then took over from 1577 to 1867, and finally, the French ruled the area from 1883 until Djibouti's independence in 1977.

 

[Khaem]

The darvish destroyed the s and took hararge from them, they only took Harar with help of British then the job was done by the British taking galbeed alone by dividing the clans, the clan in galbeed didn't even know they were under Ethiopia tills 60s their power was that weak, i don't know about djbouti, waryaa is it true @Khaemwaset

Walal Ethiopia was always fighting its wars and expansion witg support of the westerners.

they fought with portugese against Adal, and they fought in Galbeed with the british like they did in 2006 with american air power.

Thats how they got Eritrea Djibouti and Galbeed annexed.

The lands of Ciise were annexed by Ethiopia. And to what I know Ethiopian King Menelik signed a pact with France to lease Djibouti for 99 years to france. Then Ethiopia supposed to annex Djibouti in 1977.

That's ethiopian propaganda. French Somaliland came from Ciise ugaas and Afar Sultan signing land to build a French protectorate on the coast

This was also a treaty signed with the Ugaas of Samaroon in 25th March 1885. Long before menelik.

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[Emir of Zayla]

The british and the ethiopians conquered Galbeed. King Menelik added eastern zone to Ethiopia (Harar+Galbeed) of course with the help of the british.

during the end of 19th the Ethiopian empire was at its stongest level. Most territiries were annexedvat that time

Ethiopia didn’t conquer Galbeed, it was ceded to them by the British who demarcated the borders of Somalia-Ethiopia in the 1940s. We know that most raiding parties sent from Ethiopia to Ogaden ended in complete failure and humiliation.

Somali Sultans after Abyssinia took Harar were already planning on uniting their forces of over 50,000 men and leading a Jihad into the Highlands to take back Muslim lands but were stopped by the British, French and Italians who embargoed them from importing modern weaponry into the Somali peninsula

This was from the British consulate of Aden: “The bearer of this message is Abdulah from Harar, a man I have known for some time and in whom one can trust. He assures me that Sultan Osman Mahmud of Ras Hafun (Alula) and Sultan Yusuf Ali of Obbia (Hobyo) have been aiming for a long time to make a large expedition against Harar, they ascertain that in nine days they could be at the frontier of Ogaden and would cross the Ogaden in fifteen. The expedition would take no more than a month from departure to arrival before Harar. The two Sultans assure that all the Somali tribes would agree to join them as they have been urged by the Ogaden tribes and others to march together against Ras Makkonen’s troops.”

Ethiopia also annexed Djibouti before the french colonized them.

And to what I know Ethiopian King Menelik signed a pact with France to lease Djibouti for 99 years to france. Then Ethiopia supposed to annex Djibouti in 1977.

Ethiopia never annexed Djibouti ever, Ethiopia also never had the authority to “lease” Djibouti to France because they never once in their history controlled the country.

 

[EritreanPost_]

This isn't factually incorrect brother, Ethiopia has never ruled Djibouti directly, they never had the power to hold onto it, they were to busy staying in power in their serfdom, based on my understanding, Zeila and the surrounding areas, including what is now Djibouti City, were ruled by the Adal Kingdom from around 900 to 1285, followed by the Ifat Sultanate from 1285 to 1415. After that, the Adal Sultanate reemerged and controlled the region from 1415 until 1577. The Ottoman Empire then took over from 1577 to 1867, and finally, the French ruled the area from 1883 until Djibouti's independence in 1977.

@NidarNidar @Khaemwaset. Your could be rights, it could be Ethiopian propaganda

but Ethiopian history books and western countries claim Ethiopia handed over Djibouti to France and signed an agreement with France to gain Djibouti after 99years agreement is finished.

So you guys could be right

 

[NidarNidar]

@NidarNidar @Khaemwaset. Your could be rights, it could be Ethiopian propaganda

Make sure the author isn't Ethiopia, these idiots have been editing Wikipedias, luckily for us, there are a lot of sources on our behalf.

 

[EritreanPost_]

Make sure the author isn't Ethiopia, these idiots have been editing Wikipedias, luckily for us, there are a lot of sources on our behalf.

Well walal you right Djibouti wasn’t annexed but parts of the lands of the cisse and of some Afars were incorporated into modern day Ethiopia.

but you guys are right there is a lot of misinformation.
My father was born in Ethiopia. He also told me Ethiopians claim they owned Djibouti and handed it over to France during the agreement between Menelik and the France

 

[Ashraf]

That's ethiopian propaganda. French Somaliland came from Ciise ugaas and Afar Sultan signing land to build a French protectorate on the coast
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This was also a treaty signed with the Ugaas of Samaroon in 25th March 1885. Long before menelik.

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If it was jointly signed by afar and Somalis. Why was it called French Somaliland. I thought the French imported afar to manipulate the independence vote.

 

[NidarNidar]

Well walal you right Djibouti wasn’t annexed but parts of the lands of the cisse and of some Afars were incorporated into modern day Ethiopia.

but you guys are right there is a lot of misinformation.
My father was born in Ethiopia. He also told me Ethiopians claim they owned Djibouti and handed it over to France during the agreement between Menelik and the France

It's probably what they taught in school, same can be said about Oromos claiming Somali cities due to some 19th century historian writing down Somali oral history claiming to be Arab, we need multiple sources to point us to the truth.

 

[Khaem]

If it was jointly signed by afar and Somalis. Why was it called French Somaliland. I thought the French imported afar to manipulate the independence vote.

Idk it was part of the Somali peninsular and afars kinda irrelevant. The city and port that was the only thing in the protectorate was in Somali territory. Everything else was barren.

But then we had Somalia form and djibouti had a wave of somali nationalism and wanted to join djibouti with somalia. The afars hated us and wanted to stay a french colony. So france imported afar from ethiopia and expelled ciise in the 1967 referendum. As a reward it was changed from French Somaliland to the "French territory of Afars and Issa" They never called us ciise before instead of Somali. This was deliberate to try make us separate from other Somali. The french never named any afar clans like Asaimara.

 

[The Macrobian]

Could this mean that the Dir and Isaaq are actually descendants of Axunites?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Probably a bastard

It’s the other way around the dir in the northern are assimilated habaashi the real dir is ev32 make sense

 

[NidarNidar]

It’s the other way around the dir in the northern are assimilated habaashi the real dir is ev32 make sense

Not likely, the Dir T-L208 originates in Asir Region and near Makkah.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

There were a lot of Somalis who settled in the Ethiopian Highlands before and after the conquest of Abyssinia. I may drop some stuff I’ve been keeping in the backburner if this is all true.

When Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi conquered Abyssinia and was consolidating his control over the newly acquired Abyssinian territories, he did so by appointing Muslim governors over districts and provinces to administer the lands under the Sultanate.

The conquered Habesha would become farming peasants to their Muslim lords and knights and pay annual Jizya taxes. The Muslim governors who settled in the provinces would build their residences and mosques for the arriving Muslim families from the lowlands and new converts. Every knight who fought in the conquest was granted land in Abyssinia.

This settler policy can be traced back to Sultan Badlay who reconquered the Bali province from Abyssinia and settled over a thousand Muslim families in the region and appointed his brother Khair al-Din as governor who ruled from a city named Rakla.

Many tribes in Ethiopia claim Somali descent from these conquerors, these settled Somalis would mix with the diverse local populations and have descendants that would carry their lineage. Ulrich Braukamper who did research in the early 2000s in Ethiopia wrote about how the Somali would stay in the conquered territories of Hadiya, Bale, and Gurage mountains as settlers and still be identifiable by clan names such as the Habr Yunus, later bastardized to Habarnoosa by the Oromos, who live near Lake Zway, south of modern-day Addis Ababa, or by their cities of origin such as Bärbäre who live in the Gurage Mountains and claim descent from Somali settlers who originated in the coastal city of Berbera. Without a doubt more existed in the Highlands but they most likely would’ve assimilated or have been forcefully converted to Christianity

Also in the 1800s, Somali Issas lived near Laibela, we’ve had a deep presence in the Abyssinian highlands.

 

[Idilinaa]

Let me run this by you all and maybe others on this thread can add some insight into this . There is a Somali guy that randomly found an Amhara was his third cousin on 23andme and that Amhara has 20% Somali ancestry and has no idea where it came from. The Somali is of full Somali ancestry btw and he was perplexed by it.

How is it possible that an Ethiopian Amhara is my third cousin on 23andMe?​

There is a few Amhara here and there on 23ndme who causually discover that they have Somali ancestry and relatives they never knew about. It never or rarely happens the other way around.

It reminds me of how Said Shidad pointed out that genome testing on Somali that found Y-marker that originated in Somalis E3b1 cluster lineage, is also found in 22% of Amhara after 39% of Oromo as the 2nd highest frequency, it makes sense when we consider the history that Somalis conquered the highlands during the middle ages and resettled a great number of their own in those territories.

 

[NidarNidar]

Let me run this by you all and maybe others on this thread can add some insight into this . There is a Somali guy that randomly found an Amhara was his third cousin on 23andme and that Amhara has 20% Somali ancestry and has no idea where it came from. The Somali is of full Somali ancestry btw and he was perplexed by it.

How is it possible that an Ethiopian Amhara is my third cousin on 23andMe?​

There is a few Amhara here and there on 23ndme who causually discover that they have Somali ancestry and relatives they never knew about. It never or rarely happens the other way around.

It reminds me of how Said Shidad pointed out that genome testing on Somali that found Y-marker that originated in Somalis E3b1 cluster lineage, is also found in 22% of Amhara after 39% of Oromo as the 2nd highest frequency, it makes sense when we consider the history that Somalis conquered the highlands during the middle ages and resettled a great number of their own in those territories.

I have a male relative who is from Harar who is T-L208 and showing 15.1% Somali.

 

[Awbarre]

@NidarNidar

Is it actually confirmed Haile Selassie was T-L208