Habeshas were Yemenites but not Sabaeans

[The alchemist]

It's 20-25% Semtic admixture in Habesha but it is 10-15% for Oromos

The Habashi IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N levels range around 20-25% of the total contemporary Yemenis carry. This can validly be extrapolated to their overall admixture were they range from 20-25% South Semitic.

 

[The alchemist]

You and our resident historian and geneticist @Apollo Seem to have differing views.

It might sound like a silly question, but if their Yemeni admixture is that high, why do they not look that different to pure Cushites like us?

They have Omotic admixture that certainly is expressed and remember that the environmental pressures, and genetic drift, does play a big role also. For example, you can mistake some Sudanese people for horners, and despite sharing a lot of genetics, most of it is caused by gene flow process after we split from that region, so a lot of different groups can overlap in looks in East Africa while still having great complex genetic variation between populations.

We're not pure either, we've also mixed with ancient foragers.

 

[Halimak]

They have Omotic admixture that certainly is expressed and remember that the environmental pressures, and genetic drift, does play a big role also. For example, you can mistake some Sudanese people for horners, and despite sharing a lot of genetics, most of it is caused by gene flow process after we split from that region, so a lot of different groups can overlap in looks in East Africa while still having great complex genetic variation between populations.

We're not pure either, we've also mixed with local foragers.

Do you know what group local foragers belonged to? Where they similar to Bantus? Nilotic people?

 

[The alchemist]

They mixed with their slaves more. Simple.

Nah, Cushites have mixed with forager groups since we arrived, and the social dynamics were not one of a slave/master interaction, but a one a bit complex from that. I don't deny that there was slavery later in history, though it couldn't be what made this impact on their genetics – only negligible at most, what we see comes from more ancient sources.

 

[The alchemist]

Do you know what group local foragers belonged to? Where they similar to Bantus? Nilotic people?

There is a paper that was going to be published soon, iirc. My guess is that they're not going to be much different from other hunter-gatherers that lived in the East African region, who were distinct from Bantu and Nilotic.

 

[Halimak]

There is a paper that was going to be published soon, iirc. My guess is that they're not going to be much different from other hunter-gatherers that lived in the East African region, who were distinct from Bantu and Nilotic.

Were the hunter-gatherers from the East African region similar to the Khoi Sans?
Sorry for all the questions, i'm just very curious and its hard to find answers on google.

 

[Apollo]

Were the hunter-gatherers from the East African region similar to the Khoi Sans?
Sorry for all the questions, i'm just very curious and its hard to find answers on google.

No, they were just people who lived in the Horn of Africa since time immorrial.

They are not genetically related to the Khoisan of Southern Africa. And Bantus are originally from Nigeria, which is common knowledge.

 

[The alchemist]

Were the hunter-gatherers from the East African region similar to the Khoi Sans?
Sorry for all the questions, i'm just very curious and its hard to find answers on google.

Np. Actually, pastoralists (south Cushites) mixed with the south African hunter-gatherers like the Khoisan sometime later.

There existed several distinct forager groups in the East African area in small populations that had their unique subsistence that depended on specific milieus. The Somali foragers were either related to the ancestors of the Omotic (Mota) or similar to other forager groups that existed in Kenya.

 

[Apollo]

It's 20-25% Semtic admixture in Habesha but it is 10-15% for Oromos

I don't think it is that high.

There were Southern Cushites detected from Ancient DNA studies in Kenya who were about as North African/West Eurasian as the average modern Eritrean Tigrinya.

Some Cushites living in 500 BCE Eritrea could have retained that ancestry at about that level and thus Habeshas only received about 8-10% Yemenite South Semitic ancestry.

 

[Apollo]

@Habane

If the Habesha are so incredibly Arabian admixed, then explain why all the Cushites living around them like the Beja, Bilen, other Agaw, Saho, North Oromos, and even Afar have similar levels of MENA as them, only with 5-7% differences.

Something else is going on.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

@Habane

If the Habesha are so incredibly Arabian admixed, then explain why all the Cushites living around them like the Beja, Bilen, other Agaw, Saho, North Oromos, and even Afar have similar levels of MENA as them, only with 5-7% differences.

Something else is going on.

Im lost r u telling all we cushitic r mixed with ancient arabian tribe thus explaining why we look mixed n not negroid

 

[Apollo]

Im lost r u telling all we cushitic r mixed with ancient arabian tribe thus explaining why we look mixed n not negroid

No, the original Cushites were not like Somalis is what I am saying. They had even more North African ancestry than Somalis.

Therefore we cannot use Somalis as the benchmark to extrapolate admixture in other groups.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

No, the original Cushites were not like Somalis is what I am saying. They had even more North African ancestry than Somalis.

Therefore we cannot use Somalis as the benchmark to extrapolate admixture in other groups.

Who was the originals then n where did we fake cushitic came from?

 

[Apollo]

Who was the originals then n where did we fake cushitic came from?

There is no fake Cushitic. All Cushitic populations have actual Cushitic ancestry.

And no modern population is pure Cushitic.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

There is no fake Cushitic. All Cushitic populations have actual Cushitic ancestry.

And no modern population is pure Cushitic.

Ohh what r we mixed with

 

[Habane]

@Habane

If the Habesha are so incredibly Arabian admixed, then explain why all the Cushites living around them like the Beja, Bilen, other Agaw, Saho, North Oromos, and even Afar have similar levels of MENA as them, only with 5-7% differences.

Something else is going on.

All of them except the Beja were genetically affected by Ethio-Semites but they didn't language shift.The Beja are different because they were affected by the Arabs who entered Sudan.A third of them carry J1 and the North Oromos are Habeshas assimilated by the migrating Oromos who were Borana-like

 

[Halimak]

No, the original Cushites were not like Somalis is what I am saying. They had even more North African ancestry than Somalis.

Therefore we cannot use Somalis as the benchmark to extrapolate admixture in other groups.

So they were probably lighter than the average Somali and Habesha?

 

[Habane]

I don't think it is that high.

There were Southern Cushites detected from Ancient DNA studies in Kenya who were about as North African/West Eurasian as the average modern Eritrean Tigrinya.

Some Cushites living in 500 BCE Eritrea could have retained that ancestry at about that level and thus Habeshas only received about 8-10% Yemenite South Semitic ancestry.

Those Early Pastoralists didn't have 5-6% Iran_N ancestry and they had far higher Mota ancestry.It is clear that the Habeshas are 20-25% Yemeni with the Somalis being between 0-15% Yemeni

 

[Apollo]

All of them except the Beja were genetically affected by Ethio-Semites but they didn't language shift.The Beja are different because they were affected by the Arabs who entered Sudan.A third of them carry J1 and the North Oromos are Habeshas assimilated by the migrating Oromos who were Borana-like

I give it to you that the Beja most likely have modern Egyptian admixture or were affected by Arabian tribes who moved through their territory to later establish Sudanese Arabs.

But what about all those other laangaab Cushites surrounding them.

The Saho are very inbred and insular with high percentage of just one lineage, yet the few I have seen on 23andMe and GedMatch had funnily enough more MENA than the average Amhara.

Then you also forgot to explain those South Cushite outliers who cluster near Tigrinyas and who lived in 1000-500 BCE Kenya.

 

[Invader]

They are Yemenite Jewish.

Judaism was introduced by the Yemenis to the Xabash