Habar Gidir Clan threatens war over being evicted from public land in Mogadishu

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Public land should be used as public land, and if the Government sells it, it should be again, for the benefit of the public. For instance, Puntland Govt, sold a plot of land that was public and invested that money into Garacad Port, so, from public use to public use.

You are right, gov land should stay gov land. All the the government lands in South Banaadir from misaanka dhuxusha, all the way to ex control Afgooye were initially owned by Murusade. Huge chunks of land were given to various governments from the Italians all the way to Barre’s government, all for the purpose of nation building. It’s completely wrong for government to sell of these lands to private investors regardless of who squads on it.

Our elders hardly come on social media but look at these goofley and how much dhul they are holding accountable. There are tuugo with shaati dowladeed that would love to get their hands on these dhul. Listen to the 1st elder.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Imagine being grown men in their 60s and 70s thinking it’s acceptable for a whole group to leave their toolo in Mudug or Galgaduud or wherever they’re from and squat In lands belonging to others. As much as I do feel for the squatters, I’m more disgusted by the reaction of their elders who think they can fight HSM for doing something he really should have done a long time ago.

Many have lost their lands and what HSM and gov should do is now find the owners, get the squatters who are living in others rightful lands maybe a payment plan ect and the same for government lands but maybe subsidize it. Get those yapping elders do band together and raise money for their folks.

You can’t live on stolen land and be loud and strong about it. It’s the audacity for me.

You are utterly misinformed and P/land propaganda got to you.

It's not the government that wants the land, it's private businessman that want to make money, they share the same clan, it's nothing more then corruption and land grab.

These are 'supposedly' government public lands, not private land that belongs to citizens, I say supposedly because it's from a government that was overthrown, hence legitimacy ended with the end of its reign.

The same people making these arguments for legitimacy of these lands due to kacaan era, are the same hypocrites who opposed the kacaan government and fought them.

They are mainly Harti abgaal and MJ, the latter of course is squatting on the most kacaan era government lands and kacaan era ports, airports, roads etc than any other tribe, they make millions from it.

There is no P/land without that golden goose, no other clan benefited as they have, hence why you find them most opposed to any central government in Somalia, as they have the most to lose.

The second tribe squatting on the largest kacaan era land and facilities are Isaaq.

Yet the false narratives pushed by mainly MJ and Harti abgaal is that it's HG, but if you examine the facts and disregard the propaganda, the reality is very different.

Third on that list of the greatest benefactor of kacaan era land and facilities in Mogadishu are Abgaal, they have even managed to get all the kacaan era land they took legalized in previous governments so it's no longer even considered government land.

The whole notion of government private owned land because of kacaan designations is a premise I don't even accept in the first place.

Now coming back to these lands, they are inhabited by mostly poor destitute displaced people that went through decades of civil war and it's the second and third generation that live their, the first are all dead.

What you see happening is pure theft by private business people that paid the government off to purchase that land, the government itself has no interest in those lands, they are just getting paid for it by crooks.

it's clear oppression, injustice and theft and if you know anything about Somalia corrupt system, there is no due process or fact finding, hence violence is the only language these bandits understand, pacifist are crushed and wiped out, they have learned this the hard way and you of all people should know this.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You are utterly misinformed and P/land propaganda got to you.

It's not the government that wants the land, it's private businessman that want to make money, they share the same clan, it's nothing more then corruption and land grab.

These are 'supposedly' government public lands, not private land that belongs to citizens, I say supposedly because it's from a government that was overthrown, hence legitimacy ended with the end of its reign.

The same people making these arguments for legitimacy of these lands due to kacaan era, are the same hypocrites who opposed the kacaan government and fought them.

They are mainly Harti abgaal and MJ, the latter of course is squatting on the most kacaan era government lands and kacaan era ports, airports, roads etc than any other tribe, they make millions from it.

There is no P/land without that golden goose, no other clan benefited as they have, hence why you find them most opposed to any central government in Somalia, as they have the most to lose.

The second tribe squatting on the largest kacaan era land and facilities are Isaaq.

Yet the false narratives pushed by mainly MJ and Harti abgaal is that it's HG, but if you examine the facts and disregard the propaganda, the reality is very different.

Third on that list of the greatest benefactor of kacaan era land and facilities in Mogadishu are Abgaal, they have even managed to get all the kacaan era land they took legalized in previous governments so it's no longer even considered government land.

The whole notion of government private owned land because of kacaan designations is a premise I don't even accept in the first place.

Now coming back to these lands, they are inhabited by mostly poor destitute displaced people that went through decades of civil war and it's the second and third generation that live their, the first are all dead.

What you see happening is pure theft by private business people that paid the government off to purchase that land, the government itself has no interest in those lands, they are just getting paid for it by crooks.

it's clear oppression, injustice and theft and if you know anything about Somalia corrupt system, there is no due process or fact finding, hence violence is the only language these bandits understand, pacifist are crushed and wiped out, they have learned this the hard way and you of all people should know this.

What on earth are you waffling on about? Public land in Puntland is owned by Puntland Government and used for the betterment of the state. You wrote all that just to say "unuka leh".

 

[Fisherman 75]

You are utterly misinformed and P/land propaganda got to you.

It's not the government that wants the land, it's private businessman that want to make money, they share the same clan, it's nothing more then corruption and land grab.

These are 'supposedly' government public lands, not private land that belongs to citizens, I say supposedly because it's from a government that was overthrown, hence legitimacy ended with the end of its reign.

The same people making these arguments for legitimacy of these lands due to kacaan era, are the same hypocrites who opposed the kacaan government and fought them.

They are mainly Harti abgaal and MJ, the latter of course is squatting on the most kacaan era government lands and kacaan era ports, airports, roads etc than any other tribe, they make millions from it.

There is no P/land without that golden goose, no other clan benefited as they have, hence why you find them most opposed to any central government in Somalia, as they have the most to lose.

The second tribe squatting on the largest kacaan era land and facilities are Isaaq.

Yet the false narratives pushed by mainly MJ and Harti abgaal is that it's HG, but if you examine the facts and disregard the propaganda, the reality is very different.

Third on that list of the greatest benefactor of kacaan era land and facilities in Mogadishu are Abgaal, they have even managed to get all the kacaan era land they took legalized in previous governments so it's no longer even considered government land.

The whole notion of government private owned land because of kacaan designations is a premise I don't even accept in the first place.

Now coming back to these lands, they are inhabited by mostly poor destitute displaced people that went through decades of civil war and it's the second and third generation that live their, the first are all dead.

What you see happening is pure theft by private business people that paid the government off to purchase that land, the government itself has no interest in those lands, they are just getting paid for it by crooks.

it's clear oppression, injustice and theft and if you know anything about Somalia corrupt system, there is no due process or fact finding, hence violence is the only language these bandits understand, pacifist are crushed and wiped out, they have learned this the hard way and you of all people should know this.

Niyahow your obsessed with Harti Abgaal. Even matters that don’t even concern us you manage to bring us in. This is between HG businessmen who want to buy the land from the FGS and build it V HG Sacad 34 year long squatters

 

[Angelina]

You are utterly misinformed and P/land propaganda got to you.

It's not the government that wants the land, it's private businessman that want to make money, they share the same clan, it's nothing more then corruption and land grab.

These are 'supposedly' government public lands, not private land that belongs to citizens, I say supposedly because it's from a government that was overthrown, hence legitimacy ended with the end of its reign.

I’m sorry, but unless they have paperwork and or have witnesses of purchase they don’t own nothing!

The same people making these arguments for legitimacy of these lands due to kacaan era, are the same hypocrites who opposed the kacaan government and fought them.

They are mainly Harti abgaal and MJ, the latter of course is squatting on the most kacaan era government lands and kacaan era ports, airports, roads etc than any other tribe, they make millions from it.

There is no P/land without that golden goose, no other clan benefited as they have, hence why you find them most opposed to any central government in Somalia, as they have the most to lose.

The second tribe squatting on the largest kacaan era land and facilities are Isaaq.

Yet the false narratives pushed by mainly MJ and Harti abgaal is that it's HG, but if you examine the facts and disregard the propaganda, the reality is very different.

Third on that list of the greatest benefactor of kacaan era land and facilities in Mogadishu are Abgaal, they have even managed to get all the kacaan era land they took legalized in previous governments so it's no longer even considered government land.

The whole notion of government private owned land because of kacaan designations is a premise I don't even accept in the first place.

Now coming back to these lands, they are inhabited by mostly poor destitute displaced people that went through decades of civil war and it's the second and third generation that live their, the first are all dead.

What you see happening is pure theft by private business people that paid the government off to purchase that land, the government itself has no interest in those lands, they are just getting paid for it by crooks.

it's clear oppression, injustice and theft and if you know anything about Somalia corrupt system, there is no due process or fact finding, hence violence is the only language these bandits understand, pacifist are crushed and wiped out, they have learned this the hard way and you of all people should know this.

All I really know is that there are a lot of squatters in Xamar. I’ve been there. You’ll buy land and someone will try and build a jingaad there or you’ll build a house and someone will literally squat right outside your house.

Who knows who is telling the truth. Everyone seems to always defend their qabil and I know you’re HG. You could be right or your views could be tainted by tribal affiliations, but what’s thuggish is these odeys saying they’ll fight the government, they have NO such rights to do that.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Niyahow your obsessed with Harti Abgaal. Even matters that don’t even concern us you manage to bring us in. This is between HG businessmen who want to buy the land from the FGS and build it V HG Sacad 34 year long squatters

He just wants to legalise squatting by his clan. And we haven't even gotten into all the private property his clansmen stole during the civil war.

 

[Angelina]

Niyahow your obsessed with Harti Abgaal. Even matters that don’t even concern us you manage to bring us in. This is between HG businessmen who want to buy the land from the FGS and build it V HG Sacad 34 year long squatters

So it’s HG that don’t even care about their poor? They’re the ones who want to displace their people. Furthermore, unless people have paperwork or other proof of purchase, how can they claim to own it??

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

So it’s HG that don’t even care about their poor? They’re the ones who want to displace their people. Furthermore, unless people have paperwork or other proof of purchase, how can they claim to own it??

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Niyahow your obsessed with Harti Abgaal. Even matters that don’t even concern us you manage to bring us in. This is between HG businessmen who want to buy the land from the FGS and build it V HG Sacad 34 year long squatters

I’m confused lakin. Who is giving these private investors the green light to buy public owned land? It seems like members inside the gov are collaborating with these private investors which is where the problem lies. The guy that wanted to steal the MCH for example had official letters from Hodan district that gave him permission to try and take the MCH only for Hodan district to deny the allegations once confronted by the goofley.

 

[Angelina]

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That’s clearly what it is. Imagine trying to fight the government as HG but it’s your own elites that are trying to legally buy the place that your poor are squatting in.

Seriously? They need get out here and sort themselves out, their screams of violence is even more embarrassing.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

That’s clearly that is what it is. Imagine trying to fight the government as HG but it’s your own elites that are trying to legally buy the place that your poor are squatting in.

Seriously? They need get out here and sort themselves out, their screams of violence is even more embarrassing.

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[Burqad]

Aver Gider is not easy.

 

[Midwestern]

They have lived there for over 30 some years without paying a dime. They should’ve saved enough money to have their own place by now.

 

[johnsepei5]

You are utterly misinformed and P/land propaganda got to you.

It's not the government that wants the land, it's private businessman that want to make money, they share the same clan, it's nothing more then corruption and land grab.

These are 'supposedly' government public lands, not private land that belongs to citizens, I say supposedly because it's from a government that was overthrown, hence legitimacy ended with the end of its reign.

The same people making these arguments for legitimacy of these lands due to kacaan era, are the same hypocrites who opposed the kacaan government and fought them.

They are mainly Harti abgaal and MJ, the latter of course is squatting on the most kacaan era government lands and kacaan era ports, airports, roads etc than any other tribe, they make millions from it.

There is no P/land without that golden goose, no other clan benefited as they have, hence why you find them most opposed to any central government in Somalia, as they have the most to lose.

The second tribe squatting on the largest kacaan era land and facilities are Isaaq.

Yet the false narratives pushed by mainly MJ and Harti abgaal is that it's HG, but if you examine the facts and disregard the propaganda, the reality is very different.

Third on that list of the greatest benefactor of kacaan era land and facilities in Mogadishu are Abgaal, they have even managed to get all the kacaan era land they took legalized in previous governments so it's no longer even considered government land.

The whole notion of government private owned land because of kacaan designations is a premise I don't even accept in the first place.

Now coming back to these lands, they are inhabited by mostly poor destitute displaced people that went through decades of civil war and it's the second and third generation that live their, the first are all dead.

What you see happening is pure theft by private business people that paid the government off to purchase that land, the government itself has no interest in those lands, they are just getting paid for it by crooks.

it's clear oppression, injustice and theft and if you know anything about Somalia corrupt system, there is no due process or fact finding, hence violence is the only language these bandits understand, pacifist are crushed and wiped out, they have learned this the hard way and you of all people should know this.

Squatters living in Metal sheet houses
Vs businessmen who want to clean the place up and add to their the economy

i think i know which one is the better choice

 

[Inquisitive_]

I’m confused lakin. Who is giving these private investors the green light to buy public owned land? It seems like members inside the gov are collaborating with these private investors which is where the problem lies. The guy that wanted to steal the MCH for example had official letters from Hodan district that gave him permission to try and take the MCH only for Hodan district to deny the allegations once confronted by the goofley.

Your the only that has understood crux of the argument somewhat unlike @Angelina who has given away who she is.

Ask yourself why is it even a public government land ? They will point you to kacaan government, that's the documents they present.

If you accept this you have just given kacaan government a type of legitimacy that even it's ardent supporters haven't given to them, and you have condemned all those that resisted it.

Second point is even if you give them that legitimacy, it's public land, it belongs to the people, not private donors.

What happend to all the other public lands people turned into homes ? The government legalised them all after recieving payments by the citizens (theft), the biggest beneficiaries of this legislation we both know, those lands are no longer regarded as public nor are they private, they went to the people, the precedence for this has been set, why should this be any different?

What on earth are you waffling on about? Public land in Puntland is owned by Puntland Government and used for the betterment of the state. You wrote all that just to say "unuka leh".

Bosaaso port and Gaalkacyo airport both built by the kacaan government using public tax payers money, along with plenty of government buildings and institutions scattered all around P/land.

Those two that I have listed made up the vast majority of your state income since it's inception and you wouldn't have survived without them, you didn't build them, nor did you invest in it, your squatting on it, it doesn't belong to you, it belongs to all the citizens of Somalia that paid for it.

 

[Angelina]

Your the only that has understood crux of the argument somewhat unlike @Angelina who has given away who she is.

Ask yourself why is it even a public government land ? They will point you to kacaan government, that's the documents they present.

If you accept this you have just given kacaan government a type of legitimacy that even it's ardent supporters haven't given to them, and you have condemned all those that resisted it.

Second point is even if you give them that legitimacy, it's public land, it belongs to the people, not private donors.

What happend to all the other public lands people turned into homes ? The government legalised them all after recieving payments by the citizens (theft), the biggest beneficiaries of this legislation we both know, those lands are no longer regarded as public nor are they private, they went to the people, the precedence has been set, why should this be any different?

Bosaaso port and Gaalkacyo airport both built by the kacaan government using public tax payers money, along with plenty of government buildings and institutions scattered all around P/land.

Those two that I have listed made up the vast majority of your state income and you wouldn't have survived without them, you didn't build them, nor did you invest in it, your squatting on it, it doesn't belong to you, it belongs to all the citizens of Somalia that paid for it.

Your point is silly, so because land was owned by the previous government, the née government doesn’t inherit the lands? What is this? Do the people automatically without buying it or paper work and aren’t even originally from there simply get to keep it???

Civilised societies don’t work like that.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Your point is silly, so because land was owned by the previous government, the née government doesn’t inherit the lands? What is this? Do the people automatically without buying it or paper work and aren’t even originally from there simply get to keep it???

Civilised societies don’t work like that.

You lack basic comprehension skills can't tell the difference between public and private land.

Public lands are owned by the public, the government is nothing more than a caretaker, thats how it works in the rest of the 'civilised' world.

This whole discussion is about public land, the whole issue is around public land not private, educate yourself first on the difference.

Private donors have no right to usurp public land, neither does the government, my argument is that even if the government wanted it for themselves, they have no right without compensating the people first, but the government isn't even interested in the land.

When you have an opinion on something, the least you should do is educate yourself first, it's HG on both sides, so to argue I have a bias is futile, I am on the side of justice which is these innocent people, not all of them are HG, there is a big sizable minority that come from other tribes.

This does not mean they are free from criticism, they have been told for several years to take a leaf out of Abgaal and murursade book and get it legalised as they have on many public lands, but they were too arrogant and haughty and didn't think anyone would have to balls to try to evict them, they were right, but didn't expect it would be their own.

 

[Angelina]

You lack basic comprehension skills can't tell the difference between public and private land.

Public lands are owned by the public, the government is nothing more than a caretaker, thats how it works in the rest of the 'civilised' world.

This whole discussion is about public land, the whole issue is around public land not private, educate yourself first on the difference.

Private donors have no right to usurp public land, neither does the government, my argument is that even if the government wanted it for themselves, they have no right without compensating the people first, but the government isn't even interested in the land.

No society allows people to build on public lands. You cannot do that.

Also, It wasn’t public though, according to you they were owned by the Kacaan regime but why is it that a current government who are now the inheritors of the new government not be able to inherit those lands as well?

The masses do not have a right to determine what’s public and what isn’t, especially those that aren’t even indigenous to it. They came from Mudug or Galgaduud and feel they can pitch their tents as they please. The government has to clear out the area and it’s doubly worrying that the private company are none other than HG. If HG can get together to say they’ll fight with the Somali government whom they should obey, why can’t they reason with their HG rich elites who are the ones causing them all of this misery?!

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Bosaaso port and Gaalkacyo airport both built by the kacaan government using public tax payers money, along with plenty of government buildings and institutions scattered all around P/land.

Those two that I have listed made up the vast majority of your state income since it's inception and you wouldn't have survived without them, you didn't build them, nor did you invest in it, your squatting on it, it doesn't belong to you, it belongs to all the citizens of Somalia that paid for it.

Why are you bringing up Bosaso Port and Galkacyo Airport in this discussion, neither one of those places, are being squatted on, there are no jiingads there, only offices. Both the port and the airport, are being managed, to provide public services to the people that live in Puntland state. It's not used to line the pockets of businessmen. As you well know, Puntland is a state, and that state is beholden to the people that live in that state. The inheritor of the former regime, is the new government in that land, and that is Puntland. You are trying to act as if your clan, is equivalent to a state or federal government.

Your clan is squatting on government land and it's your uncles, that are trying to evict them, to benefit privately. So, instead of coming on here to try to excuse the laundry list of crimes here, go fix your mess.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

No society allows people to build on public lands. You cannot do that.

Also, It wasn’t public though, according to you they were owned by the Kacaan regime but why is it that a current government who are now the inheritors of the new government not be able to inherit those lands as well?

The masses do not have a right to determine what’s public and what isn’t, especially those that aren’t even indigenous to it. They came from Mudug or Galgaduud and feel they can pitch their tents as they please. The government has to clear out the area and it’s doubly worrying that the private company are none other than HG. If HG can get together to say they’ll fight with the Somali government whom they should obey, why can’t they reason with their HG rich elites who are the ones causing them all of this misery?!

He's trying to equate his clan to a federal government and when he addresses me, to a state government. Heerkaas buu mariya, but he wants to act as if other people have an issue with accepting governance.