Genealogical Chart of Somali Clans

[Midas]

I think you're getting things a bit mixed up, T-L208 or if we're more specific T-BY181210 is Dir proper, it's not a minority lineage it equates to 10-20% of the Somali male population, and it wasn't 1 singular man but a family unit that arrived in Northern Somalia around 2,200 years ago or older, possible alongside J1 blacksmiths, they brought camel culture as Nortern Somalia was drying up, the rendille share a lot of camel lingo and they separated from proto-sam. The lineage was super successful compared to its sibling that stayed in Arabia.

"According to linguist Bernd Heine, this separation occurred between approximately 300 BCE and 200 CE, when the Proto-Sam language divided into Western Sam (Rendille) and Eastern Sam (including Somali and Boni) branches ."


People hear Isaaq, Gadabuursi, Isa, Gurgura, Surre, Biimaal etc.. and think they are standalone, but in reality they are a sub sub sub of Dir, it's just ancient and spread across the winds, some have completely separated, others absorbed by different Somali confederations, and some have even become Oromo, when you're one of the oldest and most spread out.

I still maintain that these individuals were probably remant east cushitic speakers on the red sea coast who migrated here.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

I still maintain that these individuals were probably remant east cushitic speakers on the red sea coast who migrated here.

How would you explain that

 

[Doctorabdi]

I still maintain that these individuals were probably remant east cushitic speakers on the red sea coast who migrated here.

There is no evidence of that happening so far, we can also tell by the TMRCA it has quite the recent common ancestor. It's unlikely to be east cushitic speakers, there's a reason why somalis have E-V32 and related. It's a founder effect

Somalis as a population group have consolidated around 2900 years ago, or something close to that.

This said T population, considering their recent common ancestor being way after somalis as a population had consolidated merely intermingled with our population passing down their paternals.

Many Sahelians/West Africans for example have R1B or related haplogroups, it's a clear eurasian haplogroup but has been passed down from generation to generation.

In both cases, they passed no actual genetic ancestry.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Who on earth is Digaale

 

[Juke]

How would you explain that

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[Midas]

There is no evidence of that happening so far, we can also tell by the TMRCA it has quite the recent common ancestor. It's unlikely to be east cushitic speakers, there's a reason why somalis have E-V32 and related. It's a founder effect

Somalis as a population group have consolidated around 2900 years ago, or something close to that.

This said T population, considering their recent common ancestor being way after somalis as a population had consolidated merely intermingled with our population passing down their paternals.

Many Sahelians/West Africans for example have R1B or related haplogroups, it's a clear eurasian haplogroup but has been passed down from generation to generation.

In both cases, they passed no actual genetic ancestry.

I dint doubt that the t-haplogrup originated in the middle east. But there were cushites presents on the tihama coast 4 thosuand years ago which the asir region is part of. That t pouplation could have been do to that pouplation intermixing.

 

[Midas]

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There are also pouplar local saints from that whole tihama region who's nisba is zaylii

 

[Midas]

I still maintain that these individuals were probably remant east cushitic speakers on the red sea coast who migrated here.

Also I'm not one of those anti-arab influence guys. But I think the arab influence spefically from Yemen is incredibly overestimated. I mean if we look on the relegious side. Somalis didnt just study in yemen but also heavily studied in eypt and Syria. On the side of culture I'm not even sure exactly what specific part of somali culture we could say was deeply influenced by yemen. On the other hand khat and coffe which are a huge part of yemeni culture both came from somalia.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

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No sxb, I think we're getting a bit of confused here. Out of the two Asiri individuals, only one traces his lineage to the Zayali'i. The other claims descent from the Azd confederation.

As for the Zayali'a, they don’t claim descent from a Somali or some obscure guy from the region, but actually from a documented 'Aqeeli Arab who once lived in Zeila before "returning" to Arabia. He was a historical figure, not a legendary ancestor.
Millions throughout the Muslim world claim descent from 'Aqeel btw, but in the Horn it's mostly the Darood that do.
Also, our match with these two, and others, dates back to the Iron Age, not the Islamic period so there’s really not much to take from it beside a funny coincidence.

The Dir TMRCA is FAR too young to seriously consider it a pontential Pastoral Neolithic lineage. The absence of any related branch in the whole of East and North Africa clearly depicts a pretty obvious Middle Eastern origin.
In fact, it looks like only two T lineages in Africa actually go back to the Neolithic:
-T-PF7455
-T-PH196
Only the first lineage got lucky and is still found at good levels in Africa. It peaks in Cameroonian Fulas and probably other Sahelians as well, still present in Maghrebi populations, found in ancient Egypt and Nubia... Modern Ethiopia as well.

Other T lineages in the continent are clearly Chalcolithic to Iron Age or even Islamic era arrivals. Even the 3kyo+ Habesha/RX clade probably came in during the Bronze Age, likely responsible of the early Semitic expansion.