Future of Somali Bantu

[Arkan]

I was curious as to why it's not talked about enough but what does their future in Southern Somalia look like?

Will they continue to be undermined whether it be socially, politically, and economically, despite their enormous population?

I don't believe they can remain to be suppressed as they are in their current position forever so what does the future hold for them?

 

[Bari🐍]

If 4.5 is removed then they will become more important. 4.5 was devised as a way to undermine Darood. An evil system.

 

[Avalanche]

I would like to see a Somali Bantu as president before I die inshallah

 

[Arkan]

I would like to see a Somali Bantu as president before I die inshallah

Chances of that happening are slim to none, but I think they will become president of a federal state. Probably KG or Hirshabelle(?)

 

[Arkan]

If 4.5 is removed then they will become more important. 4.5 was devised as a way to undermine Darood. An evil system.

How so?

 

[niggaibnh]

Inshallah 4.5 is removed
Honestly the Somali minorities are good for Somalia and they don’t cause trouble

 

[shariif yare]

I would like to see a Somali Bantu as president before I die inshallah

This will likely not happen, but it would be nice to see Somali Bantus be treated as humans

 

[Arkan]

Inshallah 4.5 is removed
Honestly the Somali minorities are good for Somalia and they don’t cause trouble

I agree, but if 4.5 is removed, it will have to depend on security, stability, and eventually a democratic 1M1V process. They play a big part in AS so both security and stability will partially rely on them leaving and condemning so they could have a better future. And how will they fare when it comes to electing their own when their population is divided into several federal states?

 

[RiceMuncher]

Their future looks just like ours as we share the same destiny. IA it will be a future build upon laws so we would could elevate our people from poverty. As that is our biggest enemy.

 

[mahamdov]

The future of the Somali Bantu is the future of Somalia They will soon become the majority in the south

 

[convincation]

Chances of that happening are slim to none, but I think they will become president of a federal state. Probably KG or Hirshabelle(?)

Both those states especially Hirshabelle are majority ethnic Somali. They do however have a shot at being the largest group in Jubaland easily

 

[convincation]

The future of the Somali Bantu is the future of Somalia They will soon become the majority in the south

This fear some Somalis have of a “great replacement” taking place in the south is illogical wallahi. This isn’t Europe where both groups have differing birth rates, Somalia (both Somali Bantus and ethnics) has the highest fertility rate in the world, both Somalis and Bantus are having a lot of kids. The only difference is the Somali kids have a higher chance at being successful.

It would be more rational to fear the extinction of the Somali Bantus. Unfortunately this is very possible

 

[Arkan]

Both those states especially Hirshabelle are majority ethnic Somali. They do however have a shot at being the largest group in Jubaland easily

You may have a point. I remember seeing the JL 1931 population census where the Somali Bantu accounted for 22% of the population.

Do you have any info about their population in the regions that were under Italian Somaliland that form the modern states of KG and HS so I can get a perspective?

 

[Bari🐍]

How so?

How is Dir equivalent to Darood in 4.5? They should be replaced by Jreer if we're being honest.

 

[waffl3r]

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[Netflix]

The men may actually belong to Southern clans. I have a feeling Southern Somali herdsmen cucked many Somali Bantu.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Bantu are expanding, back in the day they were predominantly living in Shabelle river and Juba river with some along the southern coast living with the cadcads, today you will find them in every single Somali town, they are even in Wuqooyi.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

You may have a point. I remember seeing the JL 1931 population census where the Somali Bantu accounted for 22% of the population.

Do you have any info about their population in the regions that were under Italian Somaliland that form the modern states of KG and HS so I can get a perspective?

They were 12% not 22% of jubbaland in 1931, most of these being WaGosha in middle jubba.

Also I do hope somali bantu will get their rights, but they are not as big as it is claimed online, some people just love to copy racist replacement theory of white facists and want to create the false illusion that ethnic somalis are in fear of being replaced.

Jubbaland in its modern day borders did not exist in 1931, so I added all the districts of basso giuba bardera, kismayo, afmadu and jilib and the lugh ferrandi district of alto giuba which together roughly correspond to jubbaland.

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Jubbaland: 200’422

Darood: 127’785, 64%
Absame: 80’273
Sade: 30’399
Harti: 14’985
Leelkase: 750
Awrtable: 709

Somali Bantu: 24’656, 12%
Wagosha/Mushunguli: 20’274
Liberte de …. (freedman/former slaves, mostly from digil mirifle clans): 2990
Gobaweyn: 1392

Digil mirifle: 18’764, 10%
Digil (Tunni, Geledi, reer matay, shanta caleemo, jiddu): 4250
Mirifle: 14’514

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer): 9907, 5%
Sheekhal: 4084
Ajuuraan: 2687
Muduulod: 1018
Madarkicis (Habr gidir): 840
Xawadle: 695
Gaaljecel: 517
Muursade: 66

Dir: 9490, 5%
Biimal: 7525
other: 1965

Garre: 4813
Benadiri: 4623
Cawrmale: 384

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Here is a break down of the census along the districts:

residenza di Chismayo: 37’136

Darood: 31’430
Harti: 14’340
Absame: 15’660
Leelkase: 750
Awrtable: 680

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer): 2651
Sheekhal: 2651

Somali Bantu: 332

Benadiri: 2532
Bajuni: 2250
Bravani: 282

Dir: 191
Biimal: 191

residenza di Afmado: 43’361

Darood: 39’266
Absame: 39’266

Dir: 630

Wardey Oromo: 3465

residenza di Gelib: 26’764

Darood: 1022
Harti: 89
Absame: 353
Sade: 580

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer): 4492
Ajuuraan: 1810
Sheekhal: 865
Xawadle: 695
Gaaljecel: 362
Muursade: 54
Muduulod: 281
Madarkicis (Habr gidir): 425

Garre: 130

Cawrmale: 384

Digil mirifle: 4980
Digil (Tunni, Geledi, reer matay, shanta caleemo, jiddu): 3320
Mirifle: 1660

Somali Bantu: 15’165
Wagosha/Mushunguli: 12’583
Liberte de …. (freedman/former slaves, mostly from digil mirifle clans): 2582


Dir: 591
Biimal: 480
other: 111

residenza di Margherita: 22’663

Darood: 3078
Harti: 269
Absame: 2780
Awrtable: 29

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer.): 1030
Sheekhal: 253
Muduulod: 577
Habr gidir: 200

Benadiri: 2091

Digil mirifle: 1059
Digil (Tunni, Geledi, reer matay, shanta caleemo, jiddu): 830
Mirifle: 229

Somali Bantu: 8099
Wagosha/Mushunguli: 7691
Liberte de …. (freedman/former slaves, mostly from digil mirifle clans): 408

Dir: 7306
Biimal: 6854
Surre: 332
other: 120

residenza di Bardera: 34’966

Darood: 22’835
Harti: 350
Absame: 22’170
Sade: 315

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer.): 1597
Ajuuraan: 877
Sheekhal: 190
Gaaljecel: 155
Muduulod: 160
Habr Gidir: 215


Digil mirifle: 9984
Digil (Tunni, Geledi, reer matay, shanta caleemo, jiddu): 100
Mirifle: 9884

Dir: 550
Faghe Ulal : 550

residenza di Lugh Ferrandi: 39’329

Darood: 30’154
Harti: 26
Absame: 44
Sade: 30’084

Hawiye + pre Hawiye (without garre, cawrmale and hubeer.) 137
Sheekhal: 125
Muursade: 12

Garre: 4683

Somali Bantu: 1392
Gobaweyn: 1392

Digil mirifle: 2741
Mirifle: 2741

Dir: 222

here is also the link to the census if someone wants a to recount
https://ebiblio.istat.it/digibib/Censimenti popolazione/censpop1931/IST0005835Volume_V_Colonie_e_possedimenti+OCRottimizz.pdf

 

[Arkan]

They were 12% not 22% of jubbaland in 1931, most of these being WaGosha in middle jubba.

Also Ido hope somali bantu will get their rights but they are not as big as it is claimed online , some people just love to copy racist replacement theory of whites and want to create the false illusion that ethnic somalis are in fear of being replaced.

I was referring to this guys thread.

Although, he got a random 5% added on one of the 3 largest which were Darod, Bantu, and Raxanweyn.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

I was referring to this guys thread.

He got a random 5% added on one of the 3 largest which were Darod, Bantu, and Raxanweyn.

he made an obvious mistake, according to him bantu are 22%, rx 10% and darood 73%, all of this together would be more than 100 .
I'm sure he meant 12%, as we both get ca. 24k somali bantu all added together out of a total population of ca. 200k