Founding Fathers of Somalia - SYL

[Dagdag]

Colonists did all the hard work of forming Somalia and brining us all together under 1 power by force. Being colonized also humbled us and made us appreciate somalinimo and xoorinimo , years passed lessons forgotten and we went back to natural default settings of being decentralized and qabil first

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

Colonists did all the hard work of forming Somalia and brining us all together under 1 power by force. Being colonized also humbled us and made us appreciate somalinimo and xoorinimo , years passed lessons forgotten and we went back to natural default settings of being decentralized and qabil first

Same thing is happening now with Xalane.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Colonists did all the hard work of forming Somalia and brining us all together under 1 power by force. Being colonized also humbled us and made us appreciate somalinimo and xoorinimo , years passed lessons forgotten and we went back to natural default settings of being decentralized and qabil first

Let's be honest qabil states in 2023 will not function all their aid money they get is gonna go to their military these states will go to war with each the second they get recognition people who cosign qabil mentality tells us them people can't stand on their own two feets

 

[Jiron]

AUN

they loved their people

 

[Gaban]

The 1950s Somalia Italians representation was roughly equal between Irir, Raxanweyn, and Jabarti i.e. one those groups was grassly overrepresented and representation became even more lopsided after 1960 because the British also gave 40% of seats to Jabartis/Irir even though Isaaq had 80% of the votes so all in all the Jabartis ended up being double overrepresented whereas the southern Irir were undertepresented but northern Irir overrepresentation compensated for them but nothing could compensate for Isaaq underrepresentation this why the 1960s mafia republic was bound to collapse Cigaal snd other northerners werr undermining SNM type rebelion in the 1960s



Representation does matter but youre right you will never see another Cigaal undermining his own people and favoring gross overrepresentation of minorities especially when the North and South reunite. The 4.5 formula made things even worse by cmusclassyfying Isaaq as Irir and then underrepresenting the combined Irir/Isaaq group. Your best hope for being overrepresented is Quixotic ictitaafists and southern Irir/Raxanweyne dominated Somalia Italiana parting ways which Im against a true unionist unlike the flan confederalists and agoobta Formaggio undermining unity as well as the XSM federal government

Can you stfu about your irir bs? Isaaq can stand on their own two xiniyo and if you cannot; say that. There's no irir and never was stop putting us in a box together. Hawiye are stand-alone and deal with their issues alone and head on, I'd advise isaaq to unite and do the same. irir is as useful as Samaale now stfu about it kindly.

 

[Dualke]

>doesn't care about qabil
>proceeds to mention all their qabils
Who are you fooling

 

[Shangani]

Personally I'd be okay with someone mentioning qabil when it comes to politcians. Laakin I heard SYL members swore on the Quran they would never identify with their qabil only Somali. Thus I doubt this man would care if someone was correcting someone about his qabil.

My grand ma and awoowe both members since the 50's and went to jail hated qabil talk or qabil anything

 

[Gadhwayne]

Can you stfu about your irir bs? Isaaq can stand on their own two xiniyo and if you cannot; say that. There's no irir and never was stop putting us in a box together. Hawiye are stand-alone and deal with their issues alone and head on, I'd advise isaaq to unite and do the same. irir is as useful as Samaale now stfu about it kindly.

Did you actually read post The post was explicitly clear that Isaaq is the supermajority in the North and Irir/Jabarti are minorities i.e. 80% for SNL/NUF the 2 Isaaq parties vs less than 20% total for the combined Irir/Jabarti aliance known as USP

 

[Gaban]

Did you actually read post The post was explicitly clear that Isaaq is the supermajority in the North and Irir/Jabarti are minorities i.e. 80% for SNL/NUF the 2 Isaaq parties vs less than 20% total for the combined Irir/Jabarti aliance known as USP

Stop usin magaca irir.
Everyone knows isaaq is the dominant clan in the north magacaan irir aad afka ku sidatid dhulka dhig. Say Samaroon iyo ciise or even dir but irir maxaa meesha keene??

 

[Gadhwayne]

Stop usin magaca irir.
Everyone knows isaaq is the dominant clan in the north magacaan irir aad afka ku sidatid dhulka dhig. Say Samaroon iyo ciise or even dir but irir maxaa meesha keene??

Im against the concept of Irir vs Jabarti but since @Thegoodshepherd likes to combine a bunch of unrelated clans into the Jabarti confederation I apply the same principle to the Samaale/Irir confederation but I agree with you it should be Samaroon/Ciise vs Dhulbahante/Warsangali and Isaaq is neither Jabarti nor Irir

 

[Gaban]

Im against the concept of Irir vs Jabarti but since Thegoodshepherd likes to combine a bunch of unrelated clans into the Jabarti confederation I apply the same principle to the Samaale/Irir confederation but I agree with you it should be Samaroon/Ciise vs Dhulbahante/Warsangali and Isaaq is neither Jabarti nor Irir

Samaroon and Ciise are dir refer to them as that if you are gonna use any unifying names. Dir comes before irir. if you say irir it adds another whole ball game that doesn't exist

 

[Gadhwayne]

Samaroon and Ciise are dir refer to them as that if you are gonna use any unifying names. Dir comes before irir. if you say irir it adds another whole ball game that doesn't exist

There is no stopping at Dir if we're following the @Thegoodshepherd rule of cobbling together all clans of the confederation we go straight from Ciis/Samaroon to Samaale/Irir and from Dhulbahante/Warsangali straight to Jabarti/Daarood you see Im consistent

 

[iamcremo]

What about my grandfather. Calikaar. How come he is NOT mentioned? @DR OSMAN