Footage found of young I.M Lewis in Somalia

[Angelina]

Im disgusted, you'll never catch us ciise saying this nonsense.

I don’t know what Cisse’s say but all other Somalis are known to say this. The Darood’s till this day truly believe they’re from Yemen or Saudi. The Isaaqs flip flop and say they’re Arab when they’re not claiming Diir and Hawiyes here and there say it as well. My Abti with a straight face tried to tell me Xamar was built by Arab who spread Islam to
The Somalis there and even built most of the architecture. I didn’t argue with him since he’s an old man. I just nodded and sighed. He clearly wasn’t told this by white colonists. He can’t even speak English.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Somalis said they were Arabs and their Arab forefather came and married a local. They even told that nonsense to Burton as well.

Let’s hold ourselves accountable.
Speak to an old head, even till this day they’ll say with confidence their qabil founder was an Arab man who brought Islam amongst other things.

You arent smart. I.M lewis and these propagandist are considered academics. Where have you ever seen an academic taking local tradition at face value? Archeology, genetics and linguistic attest to us being natives. How are you saying colonial propagandist who lied on primary sources shouldnt be rebuked?

 

[Khaem]

I don’t know what Cisse’s say but all other Somalis are known to say this. The Darood’s till this day truly believe they’re from Yemen or Saudi. The Isaaqs flip flop and say they’re Arab when they’re not claiming Diir and Hawiyes here and there say it as well. My Abti with a straight face tried to tell me Xamar was built by Arab who spread Islam to
The Somalis there and even built most of the architecture. I didn’t argue with him since he’s an old man. I just nodded and sighed. He clearly wasn’t told this by white colonists. He can’t even speak English.

We ciise interact with Arabs on a daily basis with the influx of them in Djibouti. We don't hate them but you'll never see a Yemeni stepping to Ciise. Some can be very prejudiced against Arabs like my Father who made me to cancel my job application cause I wanted to work in an Arab shop

 

[Angelina]

Wallahi you know nothing. I.M lewis, Pankhurst, Cerrulli. The anthropologist of that time were colonial propagandist. They lied on primary sources, they made up theories to discredit Somalis. Every single achievement was credited to anyone but Somalis. These people were colonialist. Number 1 thing you do is to revision and distort the history of the people. You give them historical amnesia and they will forever be mentally colonized.

I don’t deny they were colonialists and lied, but we can’t escape the elephant in the room. Somalis of the past truly did think they were Arab and all said their Arab forefathers bought Islam to them. Sh. Darood is a Yemeni and Sh. Isaaq hailed from Iraq or Saudi I can’t remember. That is what the old heads say till this day! And you’re doubting that our ancestors when asked if they had Arab forefathers said that they did?

 

[Angelina]

You arent smart. I.M lewis and these propagandist are considered academics. Where have you ever seen an academic taking local tradition at face value? Archeology, genetics and linguistic attest to us being natives. How are you saying colonial propagandist who lied on primary sources shouldnt be rebuked?

No, you’re clearly the unintelligent one. Do you know what time period I.M Lewis was writing?

Especially in the light of no DNA companies. This was the 40s, 50s, 60s and since you’ve pointed out there is white supremacy involved. He’d clearly looked at a group he felt had mixed ancestry due to culture and historical achievements and then when confronted with confused people who consigned his nonsense he went along with it.

I never said he shouldn’t be rebuked. But accept that it was our ancestors
who were the biggest peddlers of ‘Ana Arab’ to such an extent that it will be an uphill battle to try and convince a Darood that he isn’t actually originally Arab.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

I don’t deny they were colonialists and lied, but we can’t escape the elephant in the room. Somalis of the past truly did think they were Arab and all said their Arab forefathers bought Islam to them. Sh. Darood is a Yemeni and Sh. Isaaq hailed from Iraq or Saudi I can’t remember. That is what the old heads say till this day! And you’re doubting that our ancestors when asked if they had Arab forefathers said that they did?

No one is believing that. That shit was an excuse for us to subjugate none Somalis and to create a sense of hierarchy when we expanded beyond our ethnic border. Its a legitimate tool and I believe its still effective. An isaaq will never see an habashi or an Oromo as equal. They may say Amxaar iga dhow Garowe, lakiinse they will never see an Oromo as an equal cause they believe they are decendents from Banu Hashim.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

No, you’re clearly the unintelligent one. Do you know what time period I.M Lewis was writing?

Especially in the light of no DNA companies. This was the 40s, 50s, 60s and since you’ve pointed out there is white supremacy involved. He’d clearly looked at a group he felt had mixed ancestry due to culture and historical achievements and then when confronted with confused people who consigned his nonsense he went along with it.

Alright. I think we partly agree. Lets just agree the man was a confused biased colonialist whos work should be taken with a huge bag of sea salt.

 

[Khaem]

No one is believing that. That shit was an excuse for us to subjugate none Somalis and to create a sense of hierarchy when we expanded beyond our ethnic border. Its a legitimate tool and I believe its still effective. An isaaq will never see an habashi or an Oromo as equal. They may say Amxaar iga dhow Garowe, lakiinse they will never see an Oromo as an equal cause they believe they are decendents from Banu Hashim.

What happened to people who had supposed Arabian blood such as the Cadcads? They claimed to be Arabs and we took them for their word, but how did it end up for them? They ended up in some of the lowest parts of our hierarchy with no political power and bullied by tribes because they don't come from Somali clans

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

What happened to people who had supposed Arabian blood such as the Cadcads? They claimed to be Arabs and we took them for their word, but how did it end up for them? They ended up in some of the lowest parts of our hierarchy because they don't come from Somali clans

Arabs were never considered equals amongst Somalis, since Somalis themselves considered themselves arab and Banu Hashim. A Hadhrami isnt equal to a Banu Hashim

 

[Angelina]

No one is believing that. That shit was an excuse for us to subjugate none Somalis and to create a sense of hierarchy when we expanded beyond our ethnic border. Its a legitimate tool and I believe its still effective. An isaaq will never see an habashi or an Oromo as equal. They may say Amxaar iga dhow Garowe, lakiinse they will never see an Oromo as an equal cause they believe they are decendents from Banu Hashim.

Yes they do. They believe it with their whole being and chest to such an extent that I don’t bother correcting the old heads since I’ll be attacking their whole belief that they’re qabil leader is an Arab from Yemen and Saudi.
They even told this to Burton in the 1800s with such confidence and now their descendants still walk around saying this. The ones who don’t believe this are the younger gen especially the educated.

Go interview people in Somalia and listen to what they say. Oh wait..we already have that. It’s on YouTube and 70% say with a straight face that their qabil leader is an Arab.

 

[Angelina]

What happened to people who had supposed Arabian blood such as the Cadcads? They claimed to be Arabs and we took them for their word, but how did it end up for them? They ended up in some of the lowest parts of our hierarchy with no political power and bullied by tribes because they don't come from Somali clans

That’s not true.

They were respected traders in Xamar. If they were looked suspiciously ect it was due to the fact that they kept themselves to themselves and have/had odd traditions Somalis thought strange. Arab Calax are known to have Mehri origins and are now seen as wholly Somali and look like us since they mingled with Somalis. Now the average Carab Salax looks Somali.

Somalis in the South have taboos in marrying Somali Bantus but not cadcads. On top of that, the average cadcad has a Somali great gran ect.

Hence what you said simply isn’t true.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

That’s not true.

They were respected traders in Xamar. If they were looked suspiciously ect it was due to the fact that they kept themselves to themselves and have/had odd traditions Somalis thought strange.

Somalis in the South have taboos in marrying Somali Bantus but not cadcads. On top of that, the average cadcad has a Somali great gran ect.

Hence what you said simply isn’t true.

I think he meant today. They are considered 0.5

 

[Angelina]

I think he meant today. They are considered 0.5

Yes, but they’re not entirely looked down upon like Somali Bantus. We have no taboos in marrying them apart from maybe families not liking them due to difference in culture but you won’t be looked down upon for marrying them like ect. It’s normal for Southern Somalis to have one in the family.

 

[Khaem]

That’s not true.

They were respected traders in Xamar. If they were looked suspiciously ect it was due to the fact that they kept themselves to themselves and have/had odd traditions Somalis thought strange. Arab Calax are known to have Mehri origins and are now seen as wholly Somali and look like us since they mingled with Somalis. Now the average Carab Salax looks Somali.

Somalis in the South have taboos in marrying Somali Bantus but not cadcads. On top of that, the average cadcad has a Somali great gran ect.

Hence what you said simply isn’t true.

Cadcads aren't even fully foreign by definition they're a mixed community of Somalis & foriegners who came to the cities.

I didnt know who Carab Salaax were I just heard about them living in Puntland.

Cadcads never had polticial power I didn't lie did I?? Of course they were traders that's how they got to Somalia I'm the first place. However merchants were never seen as High members of society except for north West Europe where capitalism was born

 

[Khaem]

Arabs were never considered equals amongst Somalis, since Somalis themselves considered themselves arab and Banu Hashim. A Hadhrami isnt equal to a Banu Hashim

So Somali Ana Carabs thought they were superior to actual Arabs

Abdis need to be studied walahi

 

[Angelina]

Cadcads aren't even fully foreign by definition they're a mixed community of Somalis & foriegners who came to the cities.

I didnt know who Carab Salaax were I just heard about them living in Puntland.

Cadcads never had polticial power I didn't lie did I?? Of course they were traders that's how they got to Somalia I'm the first place. However merchants were never seen as High members of society except for north West Europe where capitalism was born

Somalis don’t look down on merchants. We look down on blacksmiths, healers and builders ect LOOL. Many ethnic Somalis in the past were rich and very respected due to being merchants who made bank.

Cadcads are a small minority so of course they won’t be in power. They came as migrants who married Somali women and now you have a mixed community.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

So Somali Ana Carabs thought they were superior to actual Arabs

Abdis need to be studied walahi

Sxb.

Our ancestors were enjoying young virgin arab girls.
Dont question our pride

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Somalis don’t look down on merchants. We look down on blacksmiths, healers and builders ect LOOL. Many ethnic Somalis in the past were rich and very respected due to being merchants who made bank.

Cadcads are a small minority so of course they won’t be in power. They came as migrants who married Somali women and now you have a mixed community.

You could say intermarriage happened. There is Gibil Madow(ethnic Somalis) and gibil cad( mixed folks) and they been intermarrying for years. I know a benadiri family. The husband looks like a ethnic Somali but his wife looks mixed

 

[Angelina]

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Our ancestors were enjoying young virgin arab girls.
Dont question our pride

That’s not something to be proud of. It’s repulsive and a rappey. A free Muslim girl was kidnapped from her family, tricked and trafficked and then probably r-worded.

Thats hella sad and you’d hate it if the opposite happened which probably did happen here and there on rare occasions because if those nasty shits were kidnapping their own free Muslim Arab women they’d try and kidnap Somali women they came across and I remember reading how it happened a few times.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

That’s not something to be proud of. It’s repulsive and a rappey. A free Muslim girl was kidnapped from her family, tricked and trafficked and then probably r-worded.

Thats hella sad and you’d hate it if the opposite happened which probably did happen here and there on rare occasions because if those nasty shits were kidnapping their own free Muslim Arab women they’d try and kidnap Somali women they came across and I remember reading how it happened a few times.

They werent kidnapped. The yemenis sold their daughters in slavery. This practice was common among the Ethiopians aswell. Also war happens amongst tribes in yemen and the females were sold in Xamar. Also you are a female. You wouldn't understand