FGS statement on Lasanod declaration

[Rationale]

If Hawiye want to divide their federal states into a hundred pieces that is their business. We wil simply conduct an eye scan based census and everyone gets the number of seats they are entitled to. Banadir State, SSC,Hiraan, etc.. qof la khasbayo ma jiro. Every clan can have a state for all I care.

Nonnegotiables
1- Population based representation, biometric census
2- Single Somali state, no one can leave.
3- Population based distribution of foreign aid
4- Central gov sole control over military, foreign affairs, and issuing of money.

Good points, but I would add three more non negotiables

1- Population based representation, biometric census
2- Single Somali state, no one can leave.
3- Population based distribution of foreign aid
4- Central gov sole control over military, foreign affairs, and issuing of money.
5- Every state sends 20% of its domestic tax revenue to FGS.
6- FGS can't directly control any land or region, nor appoint leaders of any region.
7- Banaadir is the region hosting federal institutions nothing more nothing less.


If Somalis want weak FGS on our expense they must be living in another dimension, we won't accept a weak organisation collecting 75% of our tax revenue and having no say in other regions. These are rationale conclusions if everyone is chipping 20% of their revenue to fund FGS its a shared entity. Until then it will keep prioritising our interests.

Aslong as FGS takes 75% of Banaadir tax revenue and appoints the mayor, we will demand strong FGS that prioritises our regions first. Nothing nefarious is demanded from our part.

 

[Periplus]

Banaadir is the region hosting federal institutions nothing more nothing less.

If that’s the case then it cannot become a federal state. It has to become a federal territory administered by a council but FGS has intervention powers.

This is how most federal countries administer their capitals.

 

[World]

population based representation/ distribution of foreign aid will by far benefit Hawiye and D&M then it will Darood. Hawiye are the largest tribe in Somali Italiana proven by every single census since the 1930’s.

It won’t benefit all Hawiye, it will only benefit Abgaal. In the 1932 census you were 10 % of Italian Somalia’s population however you have 8 MP’s on the lower house and Ciise has the same amount of seats as you and they don’t even live in Somalia. That’s Irir for you. You have 7x the population of Murusade but they have one less seat than you, over 2x the population of HG but they have more seats than you.

 

[Rationale]

If that’s the case then it cannot become a federal state. It has to become a federal territory administered by a council but FGS has intervention powers.

This is how most federal countries administer their capitals.

I have said it before the capital of a federal country can be a a federal state, it isn't unheard of. Its a non negotiable eebow. Any FGS that controls Banaadir will sooner or later squeeze the FMS to a corner, so you might aswell safe time and effort and advocate for a centralised state.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I have said it before the capital of a federal country can be a a federal state, it isn't unheard of. Its a non negotiable eebow. Any FGS that controls Banaadir will sooner or later squeeze the FMS to a corner, so you might aswell safe time and effort and advocate for a centralised state.

You're right, there are cases of a capital being either a federal territory or part of a federal state. I personally believe that in a Somali context, having these two entities in the same state may lead to clashes of authority, or simply put them at crossroads. You seem to resonate this stance based on Benadir being the capital, which it is today. But to the residents of Benadir that don't agree with this suggestion, it will not be forced on them. You will get the a FMS if that's what most of them wishes, but unfortunately the capital will then have to be moved. And in this case to a new area, preferably a sparsely populated area, to avoid/minimize future clan feuds, and establish as @Periplus suggested, a federal territory from the ground up, just like in Australia. Independent from the rest of FMS, but without direct control from the federal government. Where all federal institutions will be located. Just a theory that may work.

 

[Rationale]

You're right, there are cases of a capital being either a federal territory or part of a federal state. I personally believe that in a Somali context, having these two entities in the same state may lead to clashes of authority, or simply put them at crossroads. You seem to resonate this stance based on Benadir being the capital, which it is today. But to the residents of Benadir that don't agree with this suggestion, it will not be forced on them. You will get the a FMS if that's what most of them wishes, but unfortunately the capital will then have to be moved. And in this case to a new area, preferably a sparsely populated area, to avoid/minimize future clan feuds, and establish as @Periplus suggested, a federal territory from the ground up, just like in Australia. Independent from the rest of FMS, but without direct control from the federal government. Where all federal institutions will be located. Just a theory that may work.

I disagree, Banaadir has invested the most on FGS we will forever host FGS institutions, we have spent a decade building the Federal government changing the capital to a barren sparsely populated shithole will never pass.

Germany and Austria have their capitals in a federal city states, Muqdisho will be like that. The buildings that the federal institutions operate from is all that the federal government controls in Berlin. I hope we follow this model, Im sure it is the most sensible model to our country.


If that scenario isn't to your liking then we will most likely keep heading to the Ethiopian model, as a Ethiopian yourself you must know how EFG holds the states on a tight leash with the revenue collected from Addis and any governor who shows dissident will be bombed and starved to submission.

 

[Periplus]

I have said it before the capital of a federal country can be a a federal state, it isn't unheard of. Its a non negotiable eebow. Any FGS that controls Banaadir will sooner or later squeeze the FMS to a corner, so you might aswell safe time and effort and advocate for a centralised state.

What do you know about governance theory?

Nearly every federal government in the world doesn’t give state rights to their capital.

You have two choices: Let another city become the capital or give up state rights.

 

[Rationale]

What do you know about governance theory?

Nearly every federal government in the world doesn’t give state rights to their capital.

You have two choices: Let another city become the capital or give up state rights.

More than half of all the federal Republics have their capitals in autonomous territories or states. Lol you just speak out of your ass. Waxaad ogtahay baa iskaba yar. These countries follow the system I'm advocating for.

-Argentina
-Austria
-Germany
-Mexico
-Comoros
-Bosnia-Herzegovina
-Iraq
-Mexico
-South Sudan
-Sudan
-Nepal
-India
-Micronesia

This system is quite common doqonyahow. Kulahaa two, there is more than four options on the table.

 

[TekNiKo]

Ignore these Sspot losers
majority of Reer Muqdishu are with Reer Laascaanood and dontbuy into Irirism like Ulusow

Raisul Wasaaraja Maxamed Cali Geedi speaks he has always been a good ally!

 

[TekNiKo]

Reer Laascaanood call Culusow a weak pathetic President for his bad statement

 

[GaradShabeel]

I disagree, Banaadir has invested the most on FGS we will forever host FGS institutions, we have spent a decade building the Federal government changing the capital to a barren sparsely populated shithole will never pass.

Germany and Austria have their capitals in a federal city states, Muqdisho will be like that. The buildings that the federal institutions operate from is all that the federal government controls in Berlin. I hope we follow this model, Im sure it is the most sensible model to our country.


If that scenario isn't to your liking then we will most likely keep heading to the Ethiopian model, as a Ethiopian yourself you must know how EFG holds the states on a tight leash with the revenue collected from Addis and any governor who shows dissident will be bombed and starved to submission.

Well, at this point I think most Benadirs and people who's interest lies with remaining the capital in Moqdishu, appears to agree with you. And that side, overweighs the proponents of the other suggestion. But there seems to be some form of point of contention, among certain FMS, since a question mark was added in the provisional constitution of the status of the future capital. So we have to see how they manage to work it out.

As far as the Ethiopian model, all of the gov'ts we've had since the establishment of federalism have gone above their constitutional given rights. Which is why they've not been inclined to "democratize", since they will loose significant part of their power, to the regional states. But it is indeed stronger than the current and those suggested federalist models for Somalia. Especially with regards to revenue and budget, and how much we have to share our natural resources too.

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[Periplus]

More than half of all the federal Republics have their capitals in autonomous territories or states. Lol you just speak out of your ass. Waxaad ogtahay baa iskaba yar. These countries follow the system I'm advocating for.

-Argentina
-Austria
-Germany
-Mexico
-Comoros
-Bosnia-Herzegovina
-Iraq
-Mexico
-South Sudan
-Sudan
-Nepal
-India
-Micronesia

This system is quite common doqonyahow. Kulahaa two, there is more than four options on the table.

Does Iraq, Sudan, South Sudan, Mexico etc sound like “stable countries” to you??

Meanwhile countries like the United States and Australia follow my system.

The UK is even more extreme, the entirety of England is controlled by the British government, let alone London.

That’s called having stability you absolute donut.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Does Iraq, Sudan, South Sudan, Mexico etc sound like “stable countries” to you??

Meanwhile countries like the United States and Australia follow my system.

The UK is even more extreme, the entirety of England is controlled by the British government, let alone London.

That’s called having stability you absolute donut.

U.K. is a disaster and is falling apart politically. And the US isn’t a good example given Democrats want to turn Washington DC into a federal state. Eventually they’ll succeed once they get rid of the filibuster.

Germany has the best political system in the world. They're definitely who we should to aim to replicate.

Imagine calling someone a donut and then saying U.K. and US are models we should follow for our country as they are ‘stable’

 

[Periplus]

U.K. is a disaster and is falling apart politically. And the US isn’t a good example given Democrats want to turn Washington DC into a federal state. Eventually they’ll succeed once they get rid of the filibuster.

Germany has the best political system in the world. They're definitely who we should to aim to replicate

Germany didn’t have years of warring factions that divide themselves on stupid lines.

But the UK and US historically did.

Which is why they make their capital neutral.

 

[hinters]

Good points, but I would add three more non negotiables

1- Population based representation, biometric census
2- Single Somali state, no one can leave.
3- Population based distribution of foreign aid
4- Central gov sole control over military, foreign affairs, and issuing of money.
5- Every state sends 20% of its domestic tax revenue to FGS.
6- FGS can't directly control any land or region, nor appoint leaders of any region.
7- Banaadir is the region hosting federal institutions nothing more nothing less.


If Somalis want weak FGS on our expense they must be living in another dimension, we won't accept a weak organisation collecting 75% of our tax revenue and having no say in other regions. These are rationale conclusions if everyone is chipping 20% of their revenue to fund FGS its a shared entity. Until then it will keep prioritising our interests.

Aslong as FGS takes 75% of Banaadir tax revenue and appoints the mayor, we will demand strong FGS that prioritises our regions first. Nothing nefarious is demanded from our part.

And no state should be able to seceed.

 

[Rationale]

Does Iraq, Sudan, South Sudan, Mexico etc sound like “stable countries” to you??

Meanwhile countries like the United States and Australia follow my system.

The UK is even more extreme, the entirety of England is controlled by the British government, let alone London.

That’s called having stability you absolute donut.

Ethiopia follows your system, the epitome of stability. We can all pick and choose.

 

[Periplus]

Ethiopia follows your system, the epitome of stability. We can all pick and choose.

Ethiopia isn’t unstable because of their federal system but because their ruling class colonises their civilians.

Don’t play dumb, you know that.

 

[Rationale]

U.K. is a disaster and is falling apart politically. And the US isn’t a good example given Democrats want to turn Washington DC into a federal state. Eventually they’ll succeed once they get rid of the filibuster.

Germany has the best political system in the world. They're definitely who we should to aim to replicate.

Imagine calling someone a donut and then saying U.K. and US are models we should follow for our country as they are ‘stable’

Austria and Germany are by far the most politically stable countries, and they have the system we advocate for. This guy has some irrational drive behind his push for the Ethiopian system. If we follow what he advocates for, in 20 to 30 years it will be FGS bombing North-East to oblivion just like the way Tigray was for same reasons aswell. Alxamdulillah Indhoolo eebe nagama dhigin.

 

[Periplus]

Austria and Germany are by far the most politically stable countries, and they have the system we advocate for. This guy has some irrational drive behind his push for the Ethiopian system. If we follow what he advocates for, in 20 to 30 years it will be FGS bombing North-East to oblivion just like the way Tigray was for same reasons aswell. Alxamdulillah Indhoolo eebe nagama dhigin.

Nigga nobody wants an Ethiopian system where each qabiil gets a gobol.

When the civil war ends, clan states should be banned. The government should also force or incentives qabiils to break up and move to different parts of the country.

We need to put the stability of the country over selfish ooga booga monkey interests like qabiil.

 

[johnsepei5]

if Djibouti is against Somaliland becoming a country how hawiye who don't control their land recognize SL? Waxay dan idiinku jirtaa SL oo dhinac u dhacda waxaana sahlan midnimada otherwise they will keep destabilizing Xamar. If SL rejoins The south under Hawiye Govt it will change the whole SFG powersharing and will be the biggest partner and will keep SSC this is what what Djibouti wants. Isaaqs will surrender if you use the Sool uprising card wallahi they r begging in Xamar and through Djibouti to keep SL intact. The world has seen not all SL want to separate from the rest of the country they are done.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-djibouti-does-not-recognize-somaliland.139837/

It’s not their land to part off with,regardless that’s a huge chunk of land they’re planning to part off with and that’s not happening.