FGS ending 4.5. 2021 parliament erases North Mudug & East Sanaag. Secessionists get 50% more seats.

[Bohol]

If you can't prove the formula used, how in the world do u expect us to accept figures you reached. Figures are reached thru variables and formulas. What were the variables used? I at least provided one which is GDP variable and then working out the GDP and what the population can be.

It is based on population. 44,788 = 1 MP across all the regions that is the standard.

 

[Bohol]

they need an actual census first(never had one as a country), and like was said this will get rid of the 4.5 system I'm assuming moving past qabil, whats to stop say a non hart running in sool and sanaag? especially once we move from selections to one man one vote

I agree there needs to be a census first, the idea makes a lot of sense though. What you mean what is there to stop a non harti running in Sool & Sanaag? only parts of those regions belong to them the rest belong to HY so of course the MPs will be split in the region.

 

[merka]

The current distribution of seats is not based on population numbers, whereas the distribution of your source is based on the UN survey 2014, which is widely accepted amongst all Somalis. Puntland doesn't control anything in Sool and as for Sanaag the capital and two of three major districts are under Somaliland (Badhan district isn't even fully part of Puntland).

The FGS and most reer konfur (except Majeerteen) always held the position that the 18 regions shouldn't be splitted, hence the seats of shared regions were allocated to the Majority. In other words, Mudug for Galmudug and Sanaag for Somaliland, no matter if Harti live in those regions. In the end of the day it wouldn't change that much. Around 10 seats more for Puntland.

Anyways i couldn't care less for this, but im surprised the FGS used the survey of 2014. If this is true, I'll admit Farmaajo has balls.

I see that Farmaajo is trying to be fair. Waqooyi Galbeed has more people than all of Puntland, it's obvious that more seats should be allocated to us.

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[Tukraq]

I agree there needs to be a census first, the idea makes a lot of sense though. What you mean what is there to stop a non harti running in Sool & Sanaag? only parts of those regions belong to them the rest belong to HY so of course the MPs will be split in the region.

I mean if it isn't 4.5 why would qabil matter? what if say an abgaal wanted to run for a position in sanaag? if its still qabil based then it should remain 4.5 and not population based

 

[DR OSMAN]

Sxb sorry to burst your bubble but Pland has always been the least populated region in Somalia. Here's a population estimation in 1953.

Niyahow ma waxad garan la'dahay mathamatics sida loo samayo? it's one of the easiest subjects niyahow. Do u know even your multiplications. I can use GDP variable, Diaspora variable(to show u a sample of 10 people in any diaspora city 8 is darod). I can use 'sq kilometer' variable to measure out 1 kilometer square in your city, and apply house size variable to work out how many houses can fit in that 1 sq kilometer and multiply it by your city size sq kilometer.

I can then use a nomad gouge, to work out if you even have nomads by taking samples within your city to find out if all your family live just within one city or separated. My family sample would be 20% one city, 80% elsewhere in miyiga. You won't find that sort of stats in Hargeisa for sure, you will find that their whole family up to 2nd awoowe live in the same city square kilometer lol.

Somalis are dumb mathamatically, they just run to reports with no formulas provided just figures, how can u reach figures without formulas, it's not even mathamatical, you can't do maths sxb or statistics without variables, ask any mathamatician, it's absolutely impossible. What you have is GUESSES in your reports nothing else, clan guesses skewed by somalis. They think Majerten will take estimations without formulas ahhahahahaha

 

[Bohol]

I mean if it isn't 4.5 why would qabil matter? what if say an abgaal wanted to run for a position in sanaag? if its still qabil based then it should remain 4.5 and not population based

A Abgaal can run in Sanaag (when there is elections) if he can get enough votes from the locals then there is nothing stopping him to become a MP in that region. 4.5 is stable for now but the issue with 4.5 is it is not based on population so it is less fair.

 

[TheAnswer]

Another great move by Farmaajo. Only N&N, pro-union Issaks will be given these MP spots.
And they will of course vote for Farmaajo.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Sxb sorry to burst your bubble but Pland has always been the least populated region in Somalia. Here's a population estimation in 1953.

great info but next time try screencaping it rather than using your phone, you look like a ass doing it like that.

 

[Tukraq]

Another great move by Farmaajo. Only N&N, pro-union Issaks will be given these MP spots.
And they will of course vote for Farmaajo.

are we still not moving to 1 man 1 vote? and why should only pro NN issaqs be given positions? that docent seem very representative of there populace

 

[DR OSMAN]

The larger clans in Somalia will have corresponding larger land mass, this is inevitable fact. That's why leelkase can't claim to be large nor murusade when they only own such a small land mass. This is different maybe for Abgaal or HG that can prove 200 kilometer stretch of land. There is no Somali that will accept leelkase ama murusade are majority in Somalia, the land they have simply won't allow for it. Isaaq is the same, the land size indicates everything about their population

 

[Fiidmeer]

Niyahow ma waxad garan la'dahay mathamatics sida loo samayo? it's one of the easiest subjects niyahow. Do u know even your multiplications. I can use GDP variable, Diaspora variable(to show u a sample of 10 people in any diaspora city 8 is darod). I can use 'sq kilometer' variable to measure out 1 kilometer square in your city, and apply house size variable to work out how many houses can fit in that 1 sq kilometer and multiply it by your city size sq kilometer.

I can then use a nomad gouge, to work out if you even have nomads by taking samples within your city to find out if all your family live just within one city or separated. My family sample would be 20% one city, 80% elsewhere in miyiga. You won't find that sort of stats in Hargeisa for sure, you will find that their whole family up to 2nd awoowe live in the same city square kilometer lol.

Somalis are dumb mathamatically, they just run to reports with no formulas provided just figures, how can u reach figures without formulas, it's not even mathamatical, you can't do maths sxb or statistics without variables, ask any mathamatician, it's absolutely impossible. What you have is GUESSES in your reports nothing else, clan guesses skewed by somalis. They think Majerten will take estimations without formulas ahhahahahaha

"My family is like this so it should be the same for all Planders"

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

Niyahow ma waxad garan la'dahay mathamatics sida loo samayo? it's one of the easiest subjects niyahow. Do u know even your multiplications. I can use GDP variable, Diaspora variable(to show u a sample of 10 people in any diaspora city 8 is darod). I can 'sq kilometer' variable to measure out 1 kilometer square in your city, and apply house size variable to work out how many houses can fit in that 1 sq kilometer and multiply it by your city size sq kilometer.

I can then use a nomad gouge, to work out if you even have nomads by taking samples within your city to find out if all your family live just within one city or separated. My family sample would be 20% one city, 80% elsewhere in miyiga. You won't find that sort of stats in Hargeisa for sure, you will find that their whole family up to 2nd awoowe live in the same city square.

Somalis are dumb mathamatically, they just run to reports with no formulas provided just figures, how can u reach figures without formulas, it's not maths, you can't do maths sxb and estimations without variables.

It is well known that Puntland is the least populated region. Every census from 1931, 1939 and 1953 have proven that. No need to fight against facts, just because it contradicts the lies you were told.

What u described is not mathematics, but baseless assumptions with no context. 'A sample of 10 people in any diaspora cities 8 people is Darood' - Dr. Osman, Majeerteen, Pseudo intellectual.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Notice how they apply the 1960 border for PL(bari n nugaal) means 'majerteniya', while they apply the northern border not changing the states even to 'hargeisa n burco' like it was, they still use the 1991 borders inside their supposed waqoyi border. If you want waqoyi border, it can't be anything but two cities like it was. Two states the same size as bari and nugaal ahhahahahaha.

Then they throw mudug/galgaduud into the 'ex mudug border' hahahahahaahh but they keep the 91 borders for all the south. Talk about a fkn clan mess of map, this is a joke if this gets passed for the UN.

 

[Tukraq]

It is well known that Puntland is the least populated region. Every census from 1931, 1939 and 1953 have proven that. No need to fight against facts, just because it contradicts the lies you were told.

What u described is not mathematics, but baseless assumptions with no context. 'A sample of 10 people in any diaspora cities 8 people is Darood' - Dr. Osman, Majeerteen, Pseudo intellectual.

cool story do a census now if so confident, pretty simple and will get the job done

 

[DR OSMAN]

Tukaraq if they want 1960 borders. The north must be two states only. Hargeisa and Burco nothing else. They get nothing else. Majertenia will be bari/nugaal. Mudug can't be galgaduud since it didn't exist galgaduud till siyad barre time. So Mudug will be all the way to beletwayn. Hiraan will be stand alone region. Then they need to cancel all shabellaha dhexe/shabellaha hoose and call it BANADIR including mogadishu. Then they need to give Jubba two 'states' lower jubba(jubba hoose no gedo or juba dhexe) and upper jubba( no bay, bakoool).

They can't even keep their 'borders' intact they are trying to apply, let alone mathamatical formulas. If PL accepts this as the estimations, wallahi it shows you there is a serious brain drain. This is something only a moryan with no education can come up with.

 

[Bohol]

Btw those MPs if selected will be for "Sland region" only in name. Truth of the matter is there is no Sland region united front in the south, each MPs look after their clan interest unlike the Pland MPs who are actually united and have Pland first policy in the south.

 

[Tukraq]

Tukaraq if they want 1960 borders. The north must be two states only. Hargeisa and Burco nothing else. They get nothing else. Majertenia will be bari/nugaal. Mudug can't be galgaduud since it didn't exist galgaduud till siyad barre time. So Mudug will be all the way to beletwayn. Hiraan will be stand alone region. Then they need to cancel all shabellaha dhexe/shabellaha hoose and call it BANADIR including mogadishu. Then they need to give Jubba two 'states' lower jubba(jubba hoose no gedo or juba dhexe) and upper jubba( no bay, bakoool).

They can't even keep their 'borders' intact they are trying to apply, let alone mathamatical formulas. If PL accepts this as the estimations, wallahi it shows you there is a serious brain drain.

I think it should be based on current regions PL, JL, SL, GM and if not by district instead, also a new census, current official census, get rid of 4.5 but also get rid of the selection system and move to actual elections

 

[DR OSMAN]

They won't dare take the 1960 borders @Tukraq since it gives Darod Lower Jubba-Half of Mudug-Nugaal-Bari. So it's 4 states. Waqoyi only two states(hargeisa n burco). Hiran 1 state. Banadir(shabellah dhexe, hoose, banadir) 1 state. Hawiye gets 2 states. Isaaq 2 states. Darod 4 states. Rahanwayn 1 state. Wallahi 1960 borderkisa iyaga khasaaro ku gabo keliya not darod

 

[TekNiKo]

Galmudug increases by 7 xildhibaan, wow. I hope those increased seats go to marginalized clans in galmudug like murursade and dir. Mashallah

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Tukraq no taxation no representation is my formula. Where-ever the govt sources it taxes from and the region that contributes the most, must be given a higher say then a state that produces nothing in terms of taxes. I want an economical gouge applied to each state and what they contribute to the qaranka not just population statistics. It's not fair red states have the same voice as blue states in america when the blue states are 80% of the economy in the nation, it doesn't add up at all.

There is no point giving an eelay the same voice as a majerten just because their citizens, what if one contributes more to the state in economics, brain power, etc and the other JUST SUCKS US DRY like eelay do? Hargeisa is the least productive city in Somalia, why give them large say? so they can make us all unproductive like them, sxb our nation can die by giving people equal voting if an economic measurement is ignored on each state. I say boost up states with higher economic production with more votes, they contribute more, so they should be rewarded with higher say in the nation. This will create a rat race in Somalia so that they aim to be productive, right now iyago khat cunayo bay hubsan karan codkooda.

I also want IQ tests done in Somalia region to region. Same sample test. I want to mathamatically see deviations across the nation, where our hope is. Yaan laga ordin measurements, its how to solidify facts. I want male and female tests. I want tests applied to age brackets also. I want to see what we are working with in each region. We lack data in Somalia, the first thing they need to do is collect data, that's the first thing a government does, to know where they STAND horta.