Felt embarrassed to be Somali today...

[DR OSMAN]

@Sooriyocano I like your type. I share your pain how nations view us basket case. But don't put the blame on all Somalis for it. MOG is hawiye run bro, put the blame where it counts, there is no point including me into it, I don't own the place nor my clan. When Darod ruled u, u were scholarship material in other nations like indian and chinese university students are. You weren't in ghettos and living rap music lifestyles and jails in the diaspora. Blame Hawiye.

Fix your house as @PuntiteQueen says and identify the root cause of Somali problems rather then blanketing the blame all round cause it sounds 'less tribal' it may sound less tribal, but it won't solve the problem in Somalia as your not addressing meeshay bahashu ka socon la'dahay.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Sooriyocano I am not sure what your clan is cause it could impact on your 'awareness' on knowledge, cause there is clan differences among Somalis. But you needed to go thru sultanates or kingdom era so you create a society of 'peasants ama shaqaale' and strip them off clan identity and make them unite against 'wealthy landlords' who are like the business people. Then you slap democracy giving peasants vote and businesses control of election 'funding' of parties and have them compete as 'two blocs' in a nation state based on democracy. You didn't reach this stage, waxad waqtikina ku dhamaysteen 'ii jiid aan ku jiide' like you wasted your life with people 300 years ago who were like @TekNiKo ama b22nta and your kids inherited nothing.

While Majerten was interacting with world powers like India, Arabia and being at the cross road of the most 'trade' based route in human history since even MOSES TIME. We were simply mingling with other world powers and updating ourselves, while you were in the interior being a b22n or cagdheer or hawiye or id33r. Then they try to add our people together because we speak a common language was disastrous not taking into careful consideration different histories and developments among Somalis.

There was nothing happened on the indian ocean trade route towards africa ama mogadishu iyo xeebahasi, it wasn't critical to the world beyond a few chinese coming to export giraffes or export of slaves. Red sea was critical to access India and China for the european trade. Puntland was always apart of it even though the sphere or axis was controlled by arabs up untill recently in 1800s where the ottomans were finally destroyed by the superior infidel who adopted the renaiisance and science age and the muslims reverted to b22n age and we still see the great victories happening for disbelievers. DAWKIN IYO DARWIN AKBAR. I am non personal god and nihilist, I could care less who wins between theists or atheists as long as I 'duuq' that science stuff and progress that's all I care about not who is right or wrong, just science baby that's why I am sitting with Ayan Hersi not b22n tekniko and his MUD HUT.

Just being Majerten always keeping my game up, not dying with the loser cause nature doesnt stop for no man or muslim, u get left behind in the natural world and it's real, just check somalia out kkkkk basket case

 

[KuleilGyalBilan]

It just shows we engaged in a very dumb conflict for a very long time. Somalia has more than enough resources for it's citizenry. The problem is huger than the saqajan wahabis, Am sure if all Somali states + FGS came together wahabis will be buried in literally 2 weeks . They're a very small group in scale to the many armed state armies and the national army that has been professionalism. I truly believe if all armed units decided to fight the wahibis in a unitary wave, wax eyihin majirto wallahi . Their existence will cease in 2 weeks but all states are busy engaging in border conflict in a deserted land no one really wants to inhabit.it has to do with Somalis generally sticking to poor systems of leadership and aggressively fighting a change in structure.

why dont you run for a governing office? start ur own movement that seeks to educate so most somalis wont become tribalist 2 cent worth qashin like @DR OSMAN
this mental disturbed person does nothing but shows the foreigners that we are still stuck in the stone age, still bickering and calling our own somali folk ‘zoo populations’

I am of the second philosophy, I don't think Somalis develop equally the same or had the same story due to differing locations and environments and due to our clan system, the possibility we create a nation state from that cultural context is impossible, it's like arguing dark age european tribe could go from clan based societies into fully fledged democracies without a 'transition' as a kingdom or sultanates.

@Teeri-Alpha Acts like he can hang with habar majerten but I am very doubtful because no Somali local sources refer to Ogaden as a Sultanate nor foreign. Plus his own Sayid clearly said 'majerten waa dawlad' meaning there was no 'dawlad' anywhere else in Somalia or the 'Sayid' would've mentioned it. So we have local confirmation from Somali gabays, foreign sources, and historical artifacts for Majertenia sultanates and that we did indeed reach the stage of development of the 'old world' but due to being thrown into a nation with Hawiye and Isaaq,we have been brought down to their level of not having an active sultanate or government. There was no Hawiye Government or Isaaq government in history. Isaaq was being paraded in human zoo for god sakes or exported as mercenaries to die for his queen meaning his kingdom was england lol.

i hope allah subhana wa tacala catches you with these words and judges u accordingly

perhaps you like the idea of rooming with firawn or maybe ur father abraha al habashi u fake somali

mocking other somalis(Hawiye) and laughing at the suffering of other somalis(Isaaq)

inshallah deepest firey pits of jahannam u fake muslim

dont be shy, its okay we know we have some christian and atheist somalis larping as muslims but yet show no trace of imaan in their hearts
u gotta fix up , disguise ur murtad-ness a little better okay

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[Diaspora ambassador]

Apply the following rule and it will be simplified. When somalis burry the hatchet we will be THE nation of africa

 

[shum33]

There was no Hawiye Government or Isaaq government in history. Isaaq was being paraded in human zoo for god sakes or exported as mercenaries to die for his queen meaning his kingdom was england lol.

Let me ask you this what government did jarerten have?a couple of huts was a government? Isaaqs have berbera one of the oldest and most prosperous harbours in the horn,we had bulhar,your sultants were a couple of gaajo pirates that preyed on shipwrecks,GX and HA fought in the conquest of abyssinia
Your “mj sultanate” started in 1800,compared to what berbera and bulhar the whole village you called a sultanate was nothing,compared to the ruler of zeila sharmaake who ruled the north the african rotschild your osman was just a servent,so what governement are you talking about?
Hawiye ruled merca,had sultans in the ajuuraan empire,the silis sultanate which challenged the great geledi sultanate
Compared to that what do you filthy desert rats with your 5 huts of a pirate cesspol sultanate have to brag about?

 

[KuleilGyalBilan]

Let me ask you this what government did jarerten have?a couple of huts was a government? Isaaqs have berbera one of the oldest and most prosperous harbours in the horn,we had bulhar,your sultants were a couple of gaajo pirates that preyed on shipwrecks,GX and HA fought in the conquest of abyssinia
Your “mj sultanate” started in 1800,compared to what berbera and bulhar the whole village you called a sultanate was nothing,compared to the ruler of zeila sharmaake who ruled the north the african rotschild your osman was just a servent,so what governement are you talking about?
Hawiye ruled merca,had sultans in the ajuuraan empire,the silis sultanate which challenged the great geledi sultanate
Compared to that what do you filthy desert rats with your 5 huts of a pirate cesspol sultanate have to brag about?

i usually dont like qabil karbaashing rhetoric but is this is
well cooked and marinated walaal u really showed that fake somali what is up

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Sooriyocano I can see from your post you are really seeking 'knowledge' it's the only way to win or remain in stalemate of ii jiid an ku jiide like Somalis have for 30 years and like Tekniko who isn't innovative is repeating the same shit showing us his real b22n by nature and not leadership material.

You are right we have a fundamental problem in our 'culture' and I say this because it's not only in the government where fail. We fail to create even community centers for our diaspora that are functioning like other immigrant groups, we fail to even have united mosques like other muslim nations do, we always 'scattered' among other nations and people and end up counted as 'refugee' or 'stranger' just look at Somalis carefully, mar walbo waxay ku dhex jiran wadan kale, masajid kale, community kale, umadani dhib wayn ayaa ka haysto dhinaca arimaha mamulka for anything. They excel well in trade and that's why I don't need to focus on their strength. They have some good principles also, they do help themselves out in diaspora, their very caring and share with Somalis who are new in a town and so forth. Way iska naxan, lakin dhinaca mamulka, haba uu sheegin. Somalis cannot create an administration for anything be it govt, ngo, committees like sporting or isimo, wallahi uu firso, meel kasto mamul ama 'hukun' jira, that's it their 'weakness' is exposed to the world and our enemy now knows where to concentrate to 'kill us' off or keep us 'hostage'. Yaa isku keenay waa anaga dee.

Now the reasons can be varied and historical. Some have argued Somalis never left the 'clan development' stage and transition to 'kingdom' stage and create fuedal society like 'peasants and land lords'. This sort of society is easy to transition to 'democracy' the peasants are 'one group such as workers or labour' and land lords are one group 'businesses or wealthy class'. The europeans transitioned well going from 'tribal beginnings' in the dark age to establishing 'kingdoms' for centuries and finally a 'democracy' you can clearly see the cultural development happening and the system being implemented 'updating itself' to complement the society to progress and develop.

Some argue like @General Asad @PuntiteQueen that not all Somalis are of 'equal' development historically and they present data from historical sources such as images, european/arab accounts, local sources, even artifacts such as ancient sites of their sultanates. They argue MJ/WARSAN, transitioned successfully from clan based type of society into establishing kingdoms and were on their way to nation state development untill being grouped in with the 'human zoo of the northern population' and yes they provide images and historical sources for this or the 'colony' run south(like omanis, italians, and now amisom and xalane). There is some strong correlation here, they are demonstrating the historical account is complimenting the 'evidence' we see in those regions. For example Italy ruled the south, now Xalane and UN does with AMISOM.

They argue local accounts say HG waa 'cawaan with no sultanates' and when u examine galmudug today you see very clearly they have no government meaning historical sources are correct as it's verified with info on the ground.

I am of the second philosophy, I don't think Somalis develop equally the same or had the same story due to differing locations and environments and due to our clan system, the possibility we create a nation state from that cultural context is impossible, it's like arguing dark age european tribe could go from clan based societies into fully fledged democracies without a 'transition' as a kingdom or sultanates. @PhySom IS SAFE here, anigu axsan uma samaynayo ninkani lakin he transitioned like MJ did into Sultanate, while no other clan did in Somalia and even if they did, their was no active kingdom in the south or north at the time of Somali founding. There is no point talking about ADAL OR AJUURAN when that kingdom was destroyed and not active any more. Marehan was also clearly b22n lifestyle.

@Teeri-Alpha Acts like he can hang with habar majerten but I am very doubtful because no Somali local sources refer to Ogaden as a Sultanate nor foreign. Plus his own Sayid clearly said 'majerten waa dawlad' meaning there was no 'dawlad' anywhere else in Somalia or the 'Sayid' would've mentioned it. So we have local confirmation from Somali gabays, foreign sources, and historical artifacts for Majertenia sultanates and that we did indeed reach the stage of development of the 'old world' but due to being thrown into a nation with Hawiye and Isaaq,we have been brought down to their level of not having an active sultanate or government. There was no Hawiye Government or Isaaq government in history. Isaaq was being paraded in human zoo for god sakes or exported as mercenaries to die for his queen meaning his kingdom was england lol.

Bah Dubays Gorilla speaks again and makes up fake history, kulaha sayidka said Mj are dawlad, he invaded you lot and karbashed your back side, he said Mj are naago,

don't make shyt up abut us, you know we had Kingdoms in Ogadeniya and Jubaland centuries before you lot woke up,

how come the first Mj prime minister and hawiye president of the nation adan cade and other allowed all 6 somali statues to celebrate 1960 independence were all Absame, ?

Ogaden
and Absame single highhandedly fought against the British in deep rift valley, mount kenya, river tana, kismayo, afmadow, somaliland, all jubaland, gedo, Ogadeniya

Since the Ogaden and other clans had never entered into an agreement with the Sultan at any time before, or with the I.B.E.A.Co for that matter, the British East Africa Protectorate government agents felt obliged to enter into agreements with them. British government agents such as Mr Jenner in 1896 started a process which was common all over Africa, that of signing treaties of protection with the local people. A classical example of those treaties is the one of 1 September 1896 whereby the newly appointed Sub-Commissioner for Jubaland, Mr J.W.c. Jenner, entered into an agreement with the Sultan of the Ogaden, Ahmed Magan in Kismayu, the regional headquarters of the Jubaland Province.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11984624.pdf


MONKEY BOY, DO NOT MAKE UP LIES AGAIN ABOUT OGADEN
, OR YOU WILL BE EMBARRASSED

gorilla half bantu ah

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Since the Ogaden and other clans had never entered into an agreement with the Sultan at any time before, or with the I.B.E.A.Co for that matter, the British East Africa Protectorate government agents felt obliged to enter into agreements with them. British government agents such as Mr Jenner in 1896 started a process which was common all over Africa, that of signing treaties of protection with the local people. A classical example of those treaties is the one of 1 September 1896 whereby the newly appointed Sub-Commissioner for Jubaland, Mr J.W.c. Jenner, entered into an agreement with the Sultan of the Ogaden, Ahmed Magan in Kismayu, the regional headquarters of the Jubaland Province


https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11984624.pdf