Federalism = Tribalism

[DR OSMAN]

Belgium and The Netherlands are developed nations that share a border. How could you use it as an example to justify federalism in Somalia?

In Somalia federalism was created by foreign powers who wanted to divide our nation. We have wars between federal member states and no real development. If federalism is a succes in Somalia, then why are you still living in the west?

U actually got that back to front. Federation was created in 98, even though their was talks of it prior during the early warlord period but it usually reverted back to a unitarian structure, it was after the cairo conference with sal-balaar and hawiye pm/president that resulted in federalism, infact till this day u will find abdiqasim/hsm and many notable HAGS consider 'egypt' their mini 'hajj' spot kkkkk. It's centralism and unitarian govt that enemies want to impose on Somalia so we continue being state-less and these countries are numerous now like Turkey-Qatar and any Islamist party have this view of never seeing thru a govt for somalia so they promote centralism as they know no-one will agree to it like they didn't for 15 conferences, so their goal is to keep somalia state-less and in the 100th collapsed central conference.

The federation of Somalia was a PL project who implemented it first, you need to stop your 'psuedo history and cafe talk conspiracies' as they are not the reality, no-one wud want federalism for Somalia as it means they get along and harder to destroy as their power isnt concentrated in one place which is the objective behind ppl who want centralism for somalia, it's easier to knock off one big powerful govt and corrupt and effect the nation then it is to corrupt 5 separate regional govt and power separated.

 

[Karim]

Within Somalia we see this disgusting faux federalism when it is in essence tribalism. Why would one state share galkayo instead of simply incorporating it into another state except for tribalism.

If Somalia enacts federalism it should be across tribal lines, otherwise, it'll simply further divide the nation.

Let me get this straight, so you want Galkaio to be fully incorporated into Puntland?!! Seems good deal to me.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@SomaliMVP one thing I can't stand about u is you actually take talking points from cafe somalis and not go read the history of federalism and the reasons behind it and motives behind it and do the same with communist philosophy of yours which is strong central govt, believe it or not if your centralist your a commy as they promote a powerful centralized govt and they also promote a 'republic' and creating nationalism.

Nationalism is by-product of republican government to create a national identity and their economic policy is 4.5, i suggest u vote for communist party as you seem to enjoy somali nationalism, republic state, and im sure you enjoy 4.5 on economics and land control or you may-be psuedo-socialist on that. But nationalism and central govt is a communist idealogy.

Conservatives want more 'state' right and less 'federal' govt power, their strict federalist at all times, so u shouldn't vote for this party as it encourages your qabiil federalism to be strong and the mogadishu to be weak. Plus their capitalist in economics not 4.5 and in everything including 'power' sharing as they don't believe in 4.5 and other measures but popular representation based on numbers they coined the 'majority rules, minority rights' term not '4.5 lets equalize' power, they won't allow leelkase to have power and deem them minority rights clans kkkkk

 

[DR OSMAN]

When I am in FKD mode it's short n precise, but when I am in creative solution mode, it's page long at least, it's not that long in my opinion. That's why I suggested to admin to split politic section in sub section one dedicated to solutions one dedicated to news/comments as it's now a-lot ordered, a-lot what somalia is missing is 'ideas', there is brain drain this is the 'gold' there not the 'fkd' kkkk that's oversupplied in all honesty. Anything in over-supply is never 'rare' it's the 'rare' element in society that is the 'gold' it's due to supply/demand being based on 'rare' being gold and over supply being 'cheap'

 

[DR OSMAN]

If u read my section on HAG/ISAAQ politicians the issue isn't them, it's you and your standards being to 'high' for clans who have no real legacy to look up to nor a clan to hold them to account, if u read it, u will know what to measure hag/isaaq on and it's 'low' in our eyes but what is low or high is 'relative' kkkk, it's high standard for them but it's always low stanadard for u but u will need to realize how 'low' they can get and any progress above that is 'gold' and u shud congratulate them

 

[DR OSMAN]

Karim god damn you and the love of 'few' words

Hawiye measurement is this

1. Did he pass power peacefully - following in aden adde legacy
2. Did he not sink the govt and kept it stable and was a wadani at heart but ambuulo in brain and someone who recognizes their ambuulo brain and takes a step back due to the wadanimo and lets the brains complete national tasks. This was abdillahi issa, sharif who followed in his footsteps.

There u go niyahow, your 'hag measurement standard' and it's relative to them and u should never be anything above that, this will be a 'light or iftin' in a 'sea of darkness of 91 loo noqonaya crowd iyo xaa cuna' being in the majority, u shud hold any hag who has achieved that aden adde legacy n abdillahi issa legacy and say HOPE, he came out of from a sea of darkness to defy odds of million to 1 cuz that horde mentality is in the millions niyahow now u will appreciate hag more but don't expect anything to be done though thats when u raised the bar to high and its your fault