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Federalism is bad for Somalia

There's too much hatred and mistrust between the clans, the 1988-91 unleashing of mass violence nips any hope of unity/centralism in the country in the bud. The country went through a period where national/patriotic consciousness was thought to prevail, and everyone believed we were above "qabiil", but it couldn't be further from the truth. Deep inside we are only truly loyal to qabiil, just as we were back then and now. During the civil war entire communities were obliterated or uprooted from their homes, many of whom to never return.

In addition to all power being centralised, development was overwhelmingly oriented around the capital and as a result had the largest population. And for many people in the country in order to gain access to services or even any semblances of "civilization" had to move to xamar - which is where they were expelled from when war broke out because they didnt traditionally belong.
No one's daft enough to make this same mistake. Everyone should just focus on developing their own region, and when people learn through education that qabyaalad is self defeating and qabiil is no more useful than just an ancestral identifier we can reduce or even go as far as ditching federalism altogether.
 
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Periplus

Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
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Federalism is not problematic as an ideology, but clan-based federalism is.

I have no issue with PL and SL and whomever as they provide essential services and stability when the federal government cannot. However, when Somalia stabilises, we will need to take a hard look at what the future will entail.

The federal system in Somalia has created a situation in which states become associated with a qabiil. It does not matter whether there are more than one qabiil in the state but to the outside it will always be associated with said qabiil. For SL it is Isaaq, for PL it is MJ, for GM it is HG and so on.

The problem is that nationalism in our country will decline when people see themselves as more aligned with their kinsmen in their state than people outside their state. In America, Californians do not see themselves as different to Texans, because there are no inherent dividing qualities. However, in Somalia, someone in a federal state will always attach their qabiil in the back of their mind when discussing other states or issues.

TLDR: I support federalism for now but I do not want it to stick around at least in its current form in the future.
 

Periplus

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There's too much hatred and mistrust between the clans, the 1988-91 unleashing of mass violence nips any hope of unity/centralism in the country in the bud. The country went through a period where national/patriotic consciousness was thought to prevail, and everyone believed we were above "qabiil", but it couldn't be further from the truth. Deep inside we are only truly loyal to qabiil, just as we were back then and now. During the civil war entire communities were obliterated or uprooted from their homes, many of whom to never return.

In addition to all power being centralised, development was overwhelmingly oriented around the capital and as a result had the largest population. And for many people in the country in order to gain access to services or even any semblances of "civilization" had to move to xamar - which is where they were expelled from when war broke out because they didnt traditionally belong.
No one's daft enough to make this same mistake. Everyone should just focus on developing their own region, and when people learn through education that qabyaalad is self defeating and qabiil is no more useful than just an ancestral identifier we can reduce or even go as far as ditching federalism altogether.

Have you ever been back home?

If you have talked to people in Somalia, you can see they have moved on. It is us in the diaspora who have left Somalia due to clan warfare and have not processed it yet that are full of hatred and mistrust.
 
@Periplus bro SL has nothing to do with neighbouring Somalia's political system for we will remain a separate, independent country. However i agree a normal functioning country must have a strong central government regardless of whether a state is unitary or federal
 
Have you ever been back home?

If you have talked to people in Somalia, you can see they have moved on. It is us in the diaspora who have left Somalia due to clan warfare and have not processed it yet that are full of hatred and mistrust.
We aren't at a point where nation takes precedence over qabiil, most competition between clans is on a sub - sub - sub clan bases anyway, you still have aano qabiil killings or calls for it, sabotaging dev in one area in favour of their own tuulo, unconditionally supporting their clan members, etc. It's not even just hate, its the whole system buried deep within our psyche.
 

Periplus

Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
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@Periplus bro SL has nothing to do with neighbouring Somalia's political system for we will remain a separate, independent country. However i agree a normal functioning country must have a strong central government regardless of whether a state is unitary or federal

Sxb SL fits into my opinion. You can disagree but I support SL and PL and JL as long as Mogadishu is inept.

Once the country is functioning again, I want everyone to sit down and sort everything out.
 

Periplus

Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
We aren't at a point where nation takes precedence over qabiil, most competition between clans is on a sub - sub - sub clan bases anyway, you still have aano qabiil killings or calls for it, sabotaging dev in one area in favour of their own tuulo, unconditionally supporting their clan members, etc. It's not even just hate, its the whole system buried deep within our psyche.

I understand what you are saying but back home qabiil only really becomes an issue when a crime has taken place and people need to pay blood money to the other qabiil or revenge crimes happen.

For the average person, qabiil is not an issue. A person in Nth Galkacyo goes to Sth Galkacyo with no problems. Someone in Garowe can go to SL with no issue. These people rarely have anything bad to say about other maamul goboleed or dowlads unless it impacts their daily life.
 
Somaliland is the cancer of Somalia

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Why does this guy remind me of Muuse Bixi
 

Periplus

Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
@Periplus so how would you solve the SL question then

When Somalia is a stable nation, we should sit down with the SL leaders and hear them out.

Somaliland's position as a state within a state cannot work in a stable Somalia. It can work and is generally tolerated because of Somalia's precarious situation and SL's peace but it cannot work in a stable sovereign state.

We need to have an honest discussion in which everything is on the table. There can only be two options, ictiraaf or a union. I would prefer a union regardless of the concessions but will have no choice but to accept ictiraaf if really came to it.

Obviously, there are a lot of other underlying problems to deal with laakin the overall situation should not be visited until Somalia has its house in order, until then its not in anybody's interest to negotiate.
 

Periplus

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I'll make your measly little clan extinct

I still do not know what qabiil he is. He claims to hate Isaaq and Darood but is pro-Siyaad and against those that fought Siyaad, which included Hawiye.

I hate qabyalaad but this guy confuses me.
 

Periplus

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He is not a ******. He is our adeer our nabaddoon Sharif Jeeg

That does not answer my question, some of us are not qabiilists that know every nabaddoon. I don't even know who my nabaddoon is bisiinka.

Stop playing games waryah and just tell us.
 

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