Farax Asylum seeker's message as Farage fuels fury over Tory-made migrant hotel crisis

[Riftvalley]

Are you gonna pretend there isn’t a buttload of Somalis coming for freebies tho let’s be fr come on. I’m not blaming HIM I never talked just about him but I was very much talking in general.

Basically im just saying if atleast 90% all the Somali fobs leaving decided to put in some effort in Somalia instead it would be a better place WHY AM I WRONG for wanting Somalia to get better ?!??

You’re waffling bro. In the Uk it is essentially pointless and financially unsustainable for a young single man to not work. Most guys I know who came in recent years slave away in restaurants and factories. Then they upscale to drive taxis and whatnot whilst also helping their families back home.

I don’t know about other countries.

As for putting effort to change Somalia, you should be involved in that as well instead of talking about it as if you’re a white man.

 

[mountainlife03]

If you watch the whole video the dude says he has been granted asylum. I think he may have left or be ready to be housed in the community. I think he made a mistake but I don’t like the open hostility and lack of empathy by some on here. Many other nationality have given the interviews: how does it become an issue of Somalis “lack of discernment”?

Most Somalis don’t even understand how the trauma of living rough in the Calais jungle, and all the stuff he witnessed in southern Somalia, would skew someone perceptions of reality slightly. People were in here attacking Somali men when this guy is of the generation who have never had a chance. While I understand this video may not be the best for the community, i just see a Young man who has experienced a lot and will probably work hard to help his family.

We are Muslims and Somalis at the end of the day. The Walaal was a bit naive trying to appease the cadaans. Anyone taking it any further than that is moving weird.

As for those lamenting why Somali men are fleeing their country, the answer is that your families did the same and there needs to be enough incentives for people to say. Most of your families also lived in public housing at one point and still do. Don’t act like your family didn’t seek sanctuary in white countries, you hypocrites.

That said, some of the people on here are projecting and they seem to care more about how cadaans views them as second generation Somalis as oppose to having any empathy for the men fleeing. I detect a snobbish almost borderline racism towards this man by the diaspora say wallahi on here.

Other people giving interviews, which is also bad, doesn’t mean you should also decide to take it upon yourself to appeal to the sensibilities people of who don’t want you in their country, and worst all, appoint yourself as the spokesperson for literally everyone else in the hotel. It takes a special kind of brazenness which is unique to Somalis to do this, hence why I said many of us lack discernment. This is just one admittedly crude example, but the broader point is generally true - we’re just not serious people.

This also doesn’t we’re against him. It also doesn’t make you a hypocrite to be a 2nd gen immigrant likely born in the West and have a slightly different opinion regarding this. Many of our parents fled active wars and migrated to the West under entirely different social and economic circumstances, both back home and in their host countries. You can’t just map one onto the other and then fire off blanket statements about it being hypocritical as if nothing has changed. You could even argue it gives you a more critical perspective. We can see there are both pros and some serious cons.

Also, how exactly does living in public housing disqualify someone from having a different viewpoint, or that it makes them a hypocrite in any way? It’s not some kind of moral failing that many first and second generation Somalis living in the West live in social housing, given we are the only community en masse that initially rejected buying homes because of it being seen as haram, when other Muslim communities didn’t give a damn. Also, are you trying to say that they should simply accept their position as a permanent underclass, and not have a position that obviously aligns with the national interest in regards to immigration? You can’t have it both ways, either Somalis that were born and raised in the West and are full citizens should critically assess these issues with their own, and the national interest in mind, or they should instead not fool themselves into thinking they’re the same as cadaans in which case they accept their position as essentially not real citizens, essentially an underclass, and therefore where else can they live but in social housing and work the jobs that the native population do not work. And, most importantly, never have a different opinion because ‘they’re Somalis who are fleeing to the West just like your parents’ and you must therefore be the domestic advocate for others like you.

This is before we get into whether risking your life unless in exceptional circumstances is even halal. There are even cases of parents of young people doing tahriib thinking their kids were taking proper ships with actual rooms and not rubber dinghys being exposed to the elements. Then there’s the countless videos of people saying Europe/America isn’t what it seems and that they regret their decision etc etc. Then after all this, there’s the logical question that still remains which is if all the young people, especially young men, leave in search of a better life, then who actually does the work of building a nation out of its ruins? I don’t think you can ignore this and say people are being hypocrites for having a different view point. But of course I do agree that there shouldn’t be any vitriol towards the young man or others that decide to migrate in any case.

 

[Kisame]

You guys are spoilt little xasiid brats who live in the west. You only see Somali refugees through the lenses of “uh muh good they’re embarrassing my online reputation”.

If you want to talk about countries there are thousands of Senegalese who take the same root to Spain. Somalia is poorer than a lot of those countries where young men are fleeing from.

I am not saying that all young men should flee or even encourage it. However, I understand it and it makes logical sense. There is simply not enough work in Somalia to remain there and sit there wasting your life away. We don’t have enough factories and most of the regional states are corrupt thieves who rely on foreign aid. In the south, you add that to the danger of being forcefully conscripted by shabab or being killed. Young men are migrating from places in the north as far as Hargeysa so what do you expect someone from the frontlines of Shabab/amisom wars to do?

I would be a hypocrite to say these men are wrong or that I don’t understand why they are fleeing Somalia. Most people in Somalia live in poverty. Medical facilities are basic or non existent in most areas out of the big cities. People die of curable diseases all the time.

For people whose families fled during the civil war and benefited from western benefits, to say that these guys should stay put to catch “fish, is sheer hypocrisy of the greatest standard.

Some of you lot only care about your “muh Somali internet reputation”.

Yea I would have left Somalia if I was born in the same situation as him.

I'm more so bothered at the state of our country right now. It's basically isn't worth living in for a lot of men back home. If I was a young man back home I'd be fighting to obtain scholarships to go to school overseas.

 

[Riftvalley]

Other people giving interviews, which is also bad, doesn’t mean you should also decide to take it upon yourself to appeal to the sensibilities people of who don’t want you in their country, and worst all, appoint yourself as the spokesperson for literally everyone else in the hotel. It takes a special kind of brazenness which is unique to Somalis to do this, hence why I said many of us lack discernment. This is just one admittedly crude example, but the broader point is generally true - we’re just not serious people.

This also doesn’t we’re against him. It also doesn’t make you a hypocrite to be a 2nd gen immigrant likely born in the West and have a slightly different opinion regarding this. Many of our parents fled active wars and migrated to the West under entirely different social and economic circumstances, both back home and in their host countries. You can’t just map one onto the other and then fire off blanket statements about it being hypocritical as if nothing has changed. You could even argue it gives you a more critical perspective. We can see there are both pros and some serious cons.

Also, how exactly does living in public housing disqualify someone from having a different viewpoint, or that it makes them a hypocrite in any way? It’s not some kind of moral failing that many first and second generation Somalis living in the West live in social housing, given we are the only community en masse that initially rejected buying homes because of it being seen as haram, when other Muslim communities didn’t give a damn. Also, are you trying to say that they should simply accept their position as a permanent underclass, and not have a position that obviously aligns with the national interest in regards to immigration? You can’t have it both ways, either Somalis that were born and raised in the West and are full citizens should critically assess these issues with their own, and the national interest in mind, or they should instead not fool themselves into thinking they’re the same as cadaans in which case they accept their position as essentially not real citizens, essentially an underclass, and therefore where else can they live but in social housing and work the jobs that the native population do not work. And, most importantly, never have a different opinion because ‘they’re Somalis who are fleeing to the West just like your parents’ and you must therefore be the domestic advocate for others like you.

This is before we get into whether risking your life unless in exceptional circumstances is even halal. There are even cases of parents of young people doing tahriib thinking their kids were taking proper ships with actual rooms and not rubber dinghys being exposed to the elements. Then there’s the countless videos of people saying Europe/America isn’t what it seems and that they regret their decision etc etc. Then after all this, there’s the logical question that still remains which is if all the young people, especially young men, leave in search of a better life, then who actually does the work of building a nation out of its ruins? I don’t think you can ignore this and say people are being hypocrites for having a different view point. But of course I do agree that there shouldn’t be any vitriol towards the young man or others that decide to migrate in any case.

Never made half the arguments you’re suggesting. At least read what I was responding to.

Yeah one guy doing in an interviews is a sign of Somalis being unserious. Haye.

 

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[moosaid]

Are you gonna pretend there isn’t a buttload of Somalis coming for freebies tho let’s be fr come on. I’m not blaming HIM I never talked just about him but I was very much talking in general.

Basically im just saying if atleast 90% all the Somali fobs leaving decided to put in some effort in Somalia instead it would be a better place WHY AM I WRONG for wanting Somalia to get better ?!??

If the country needs 100 years to fix it, why would you waste your youth on it?Even if you study or graduate from a university in Somalia you will get $200 you will live a bad life so do not blame anyone who tries to change his life

 

[Rayaale]

Wallahi why the f*ck do our fobs lack self-awareness. This stupid ass nigga deserves to get sent back wallahi.

There’s no difference between you and him, in the eyes of this racists you are all Somalis.

 

[Rayaale]

I’m sorry but don’t yall think it’s sad and pathetic that after almost like 40 years somali men are still jumping around hopping on boats to get handouts from cadaan lets be honest and fr rn he went all that way cuz he wanted free shit.

Call me a hypocrite I rlly dgaf but 1. I didn’t choose to be born in the west 2. No offense my fam never did asylum or welfare atleast my dad was honourable about getting a job and working to support the family SORRYY???

Anyways back to the point, LIKE I SAID at the BEGINNING of the war yes all the asylum claims would be more understandable… but 40 FUCKING years and mfs are STILL begging cadaans to stay in hotels to get free food and what not???? come the HELL ONN!!!

there is no excuse for this esp when yall always on about how somalia is getting “better” if it’s really getting better how about Somali men put some faith in the country and build it up im sooo tired…

Why didn’t your father stay in Somalia instead he fled just like this guy, classic pulling the ladder up

 

[Rayaale]

I want you more humble and have empathy for other human beings. The brother has been through the Ethiopian occupation, alshabab wars, etc. then he’s trekked through multiple Africans countries and lived rough in Calais for a period. Sorry, he doesn’t have model looks to suit your taste.

lol she’s making fun of this guys looks while she’s pushing to 30, he wouldn’t look her way or cares about her existence

 

[Sigmundd]

lol she’s making fun of this guys looks while she’s pushing to 30, he wouldn’t look her way or cares about her existence

Imagine bringing my age i said what i said, Boohoo and go marry him.

 

[Rayaale]

Imagine bringing my age just cause j find him ugly. Boohoo and go marry him.

You are a very weird person obsessed with image, go heal yourself

 

[Sigmundd]

You are a very weird person obsessed with image, go heal yourself

lool are you ugly? you gotta be because why do you as a man care? only solid explanation

 

[Rayaale]

lool are you ugly? you gotta be because why do you as a man care? only solid explanation

We are just tired of your fake calacaal on this forum and Reddit, you are a self hating weirdo

 

[Sigmundd]

We are just tired of your fake calacaal on this forum and Reddit, you are a self hating weirdo

So my points stands You can always try looksmaxxing .