Are Greeks and Italians Somali? What is going on with this distribution? What is Y-DNA?
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Are Greeks and Italians Somali? What is going on with this distribution? What is Y-DNA?
Apollo
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No, the marker is several 10,000s of years old. Each region has their own unique sub-groups within that clade. Also, haplogroups do not correlate to race. Autosomal DNA does. You can look Chinese, Black, Arab, European etc and still share the same haplogroup but not the same autosomal dna (race).
Go to wikipedia or youtube for explanations of how it works. It's fairly simple to understand.
Go to wikipedia or youtube for explanations of how it works. It's fairly simple to understand.
A question, could you have a west African/Bantu haplogroup but still be racially Somali?
Apollo
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No, impossible. It always comes with autosomally detectable non-Somali ancestry.
Bantu specific haplogroups all have TMRCA's of less than 1,000 years old in East Africa.
What if one of your ancestors came in contact with ONE non-Cushite thousands of years ago, and you inherited that haplogroup, but still all of your other ancestors are of Cushitic stock - wouldn’t you be racially Somali?
Apollo
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It doesn't work like that with modern foreign haplogroups. Those will show up in your autosomal result and differentiate you from your ethnic peers.
Somalis only have like 2 to 4 native paternal lineages and 15 to 20 native maternal lineages. All with TMRCA over 5,000 years old and not new. A Bantu lineage would have a TMRCA of less than 1,000 years and will show up in a Somali being different from pure Somalis.
Any good youtube videos you recommend for learning about haplogroups and ancestry?
Apollo
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These two channels:
Masaman (non-racist, not bigoted, correct info)
The Alternative Hypothesis (racist, bigoted, alt-right, but correct info)
Yeah came across Masaman a couple of weeks ago and binged through all of his videos. But was wondering more about videos that explain the topic of ancestry and genetics and goes through the basics
XoosBoos
Hiraab Commander
Masaman is quite biased. Especially when he was talking about Horn of Africans.
XoosBoos
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Look at Awale Ismails youtube channel and his blogs. He is Somali himself and is very good in this field. Look him up, his blog is called anthromadness (I believe)
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Xaagi-Cagmadigtee
Guul ama Dhimasho
Hey, add 'my' people's distribution and frequency as well - HG T (Y-DNA)
Are Greeks and Italians Somali? What is going on with this distribution? What is Y-DNA?
If they can't explain the problem like a 5 year old, then they dont understand well enough!!! cause the problem won't change, it gets lost in translation with their confusing presentation
Is this bit of information correct?
"E1b1b and E1b1a are siblings. One did not come or mutate from the other. Siblings meaning of the same "parent". That is why E1b1b are as much African as E1b1a which includes both their subclades. E1b1a has its highest frequency in West Africa and is most diverse in West Africa and so is thought to originate there but more recent evidence points to it originating in East Africa -- they found some E1b1a in Ethiopia / East Africa."
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2355/e1b1a-mutate-e1b1b
"E1b1b and E1b1a are siblings. One did not come or mutate from the other. Siblings meaning of the same "parent". That is why E1b1b are as much African as E1b1a which includes both their subclades. E1b1a has its highest frequency in West Africa and is most diverse in West Africa and so is thought to originate there but more recent evidence points to it originating in East Africa -- they found some E1b1a in Ethiopia / East Africa."
http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2355/e1b1a-mutate-e1b1b
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XoosBoos
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E1b1a isn't native to the majority Cushitic speakers and Ethio-Semetic speakers. Also East Africa is diverse, make it more specific when pointing out.
I would wager it would be less than 1000 years as most Bantus never migrated into the Horn. Those taken there were forcibly sold by their Tanzanian people to Arab merchants and then sold to a small segment of Somalis (that were farmers). This was no more than 200 years ago, which is quite recent. Even then given racialism Somalis and Bantu did not mix (unlike Arabs who freely cohabitate with anyone, Somalis did not). If any mixture occured it would be less than 50 years old and in a few people; unaffecting the population at large. These groups would be considered outliers with genetic profiles deviating from the majority.
yuusufdiin
child of afgooye
The highlighted part is correct, but they split a very........................................ long time ago. The Dark Continent is predominately the home of haplogroup E.
The rest of the world is mainly home to men belonging to Haplogroup F, particularly its Haplogroup K offspring. Around 90% of males in the world are thought to be descendants of Haplogroup F.
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