Hebesha yes Somali less... Since we have Mota man to reference now instead of the Yoruba the admixture estimate has been reduced by about 10% making it around 30% for Somalis and 40% for Hebesha.
Example on how weak Somali genes are
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Could you cite me a source for that claim?
I have read quite a lot on this topic and the ancient back migration is estimated at 25 to 30% (the Cushitic girl recently discovered in Tanzania was a third "Eurasian") and the higher rate of Eurasian admixture in Hebeshas is due to later migration from Yemen. Of course there are many Somalis who will also have later Eurasian DNA due to later migration from Southern Arabia as well as South Asia but that seems to be limited. The average nomadic Somali dwelling in the interior would likely have between 25 to 30% ancient non African DNA. I predict in time this will be reduced even further due to the fact that this "Eurasian" component was likely very close to or at least mixed with East African/Cushitic populations. We know this due to the fact that the Natufians (the most likely source for Eurasian admixture in HOA) had little to no neanderthal DNA and their haplogroups were largely African.
I didn't ask you for a paragraph, I asked you for a source. And of course, you didn't provide a source because you're full of bullshit. The average Somali is around 45~% Euroasian. Habeshas are around 50~%. Oromos are between 40-50~%. You sound so stupid, the ancient admixture was around before "Cushitic" languages even existed. All Euroasians have neandethal DNA at around 2 %, I myself have 1.1%.
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I asked you for a source, and this is what you provided me? A quick look at the homepage reveals this:
You've discredited yourself beyond belief.
Same article - The Independent
They also are admixed with Omotics(10-15 %), which Somalis entirely lack. Same with all other Horn of Africans.
Completely wrong.
“Previous studies have suggested that the Eurasian backflow into East Africa came from a population related to early Neolithic farmers.Table S5). We then looked at the correlation of the f3 statistic values between the two tests (Figure 4A). We found that the Eurasian source populations for the Amhara and Toubou were highly correlated (r = 0.98; 95% CI = 0.98–0.99; p value < 2.2 × 10−16) and that the most significant result was for present-day Sardinians.“
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/comments/S0002-9297(16)30448-7
Sardinians aka Southern Europeans.
Southern Cushites were more related to Omotics, and their Euroasian came from a different source than ours(Horn of Africans).
Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East
Iosif Lazaridis, Dani Nadel, [...], and David Reich
We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ancestry from a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that had little if any Neanderthal admixture and that separated from other non-African lineages prior to their separation from each other. The first farmers of the southern Levant (Israel and Jordan) and Zagros Mountains (Iran) were strongly genetically differentiated, and each descended from local hunter-gatherers. By the time of the Bronze Age, these two populations and Anatolian-related farmers had mixed with each other and with the hunter-gatherers of Europe to drastically reduce genetic differentiation. The impact of the Near Eastern farmers extended beyond the Near East: farmers related to those of Anatolia spread westward into Europe; farmers related to those of the Levant spread southward into East Africa..
Sardinians are just one example of Neolithic farmer related populations in Europe whose origin was also Levantine, most likely of Natufian origin (who preceded the Neolithic and most likely spoke early Afro-Asiatic languages).
The back migration to the Horn of Africa would have been largely made up of this Basal Eurasian DNA which looks to be very close to East African judging by the dna of the Natufians (E1b1b and L3 as well as Eurasian N). Thanks to Mota man we know that haplogroup E was of African origin due to him carrying this gene and also lacking any Eurasian admixture. The fact the early Levantines who would go on to form the bulk of the early Neolithic migration groups carried African haplogroups E and L (mtdna) suggests the back migration of Eurasians to the Horn of Africa probably reintroduced African DNA that had been present on the Levantines for thousands of years.
Mota man was E1b1a, which is no doubt an African haplogroup. Somalis on the other hand, are E1B1b. The two are separated by tens of thousands of years.
You quoted a source full of BS claiming that Italy and Greece were African civilizations. Now you're claiming that early Levantines were basically Africans.
Oh, and you claim to be a 1/4 Somali. I don't even think you're a female.
GTFO. I don't have time to school a troll like you.
Egyptians were hamites stop believing euro lies it's in the bible they so proudly presented to slaves thinking the bible was about them.
"We found that the ∼3,100 BP individual (Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP), associated with a Savanna Pastoral Neolithic archeological tradition, could be modeled as having 38% ± 1% of her ancestry related to the nearly 10,000-year-old pre-pottery farmers of the Levant (Lazaridis et al., 2016), and we can exclude source populations related to early farmer populations in Iran and Anatolia. These results could be explained by migration into Africa from descendants of pre-pottery Levantine farmers or alternatively by a scenario in which both pre-pottery Levantine farmers and Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP descend from a common ancestral population that lived thousands of years earlier in Africa or the Near East. We fit the remaining approximately two-thirds of Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP as most closely related to the Ethiopia_4500BP (p = 0.029) or, allowing for three-way mixture, also from a source closely related to the Dinka (p = 0.18; the Levantine-related ancestry in this case was 39% ± 1%)"
Somebody ran his results on GED match and got this:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.4% Somali + 10.6% San @ 3.06
2 87.5% Somali + 12.5% Ju_Hoan @ 3.46
3 91.1% Oromo + 8.9% San @ 3.62
4 89.6% Oromo + 10.4% Ju_Hoan @ 4.37
5 85.6% Somali + 14.4% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.8
6 88.5% Oromo + 11.5% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 6.61
7 66.6% Wolayta + 33.4% Tigray @ 7.11
8 62.7% Wolayta + 37.3% Amhara @ 7.16
9 89.5% Wolayta + 10.5% Bedouin @ 7.2
10 74% Aricultivator + 26% Bedouin @ 7.35
So the ancient Tanzanian Cushitic nomad has around 10 ~ % Khoisan-like hunter gatherer ancestry which other Horn of Africans are completely lacking. Excluding that, he has around 50 % Euroasian admixture.
Wow. This must be where we got the big (for)heads from. I mean, look at that madax!!
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The sad truth is this fate will befall you all if you stay in the West. Your progeny may not mix with white, but they'll mix with hispanic, AA, West African, asian, Pakistani what have youThis is why i always say let people marry out if they want to. They may come to regret it in the future.
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Western Somalis won't be around forever either way. Lest we forget that we are living here as guests, and not as native citizens. A privilege that can be taken away at a moments notice by the people who are truly in power, should the mood ever strike them.
So i say let them go and mix themselves into obscurity. As long as Somalis exist in Somalia we won't ever dissappear.
In other words, you think people will indiscriminately shag anything within arms reach. Oh yee of little faith.
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