Evidence of somali pharaonic tradition from xiis grave goods

[Midas]

I was rereading the Spanish archaeologists excavation of the xiis tombs and this part stood out to me. Inlays,plaques, and tiles in glass which were embedded in ither objects probably wooden boxes. I know we talked about it on here that this was likley a sign that these 1st century somalis had high purchasing power. But I think there is something bigger going on here.

Merotic royal tombs were heavily eygptianized.
by this i mean they copied literally everything to the dot. Just consider a few hundred years ago they ruled eygpt.

Here's what the inside of a merotic royal tomb looks like.

So doesnt it seems strange that you'd find grave goods reserved for merotic royal tombs which followed the ancient eygptian pharaonic cult ?
@The alchemist @NidarNidar @Shimbiris @Idilinaa @Barkhadle1520 @Emir of Zayla

 

[Midas]

We even find eygptian facience beads that are identical to the stuff found here

These dues were even more eygptianized then the merotic royals.

 

[Araabi]

I think it's extremely lazy, racist and outdated to attribute Sudanese history as just as 'Egyptianized', or 'heavily influenced by Egypt.'

The Pharaonic culture originated in southern Egypt and northern Sudan. It IS their culture.

Europeans are desperate to portray Africans as unoriginal and uncreative. This culture you're speaking about belongs to Sudan. It is not copied. Refrain from using loaded language.

 

[Midas]

I think it's extremely lazy, racist and outdated to attribute Sudanese history as just as 'Egyptianized', or 'heavily influenced by Egypt.'

The Pharaonic culture originated in southern Egypt and northern Sudan. It IS their culture.

Europeans are desperate to portray Africans as unoriginal and uncreative. This culture you're speaking about belongs to Sudan. It is not copied. Refrain from using loaded language.

I think your a bit confused. The merotic royalty ruled over eygpt and they themselves claim these eygptian traditions.

 

[Midas]

Anyways.

The most key aspect here is that "wooden boxes" could mean small boxes like you would normally think. But I there is another hypothetical possibility. Especially since they said they found "large quantities of glass inlay,tiles, and plaques" in a single tomb


Which is that is wasn't "wooden boxes" but a Coffin.

 

[Midas]

Those Spanish archaeologists were fucking retarded wallahi . Not putting two and two together.

How can you have "merotic inlays" and not realize that your obviously looking at a pharaonic tradition. Or the fact that "wooden boxes" obviously meant that this was a coffin considering how small the tomb is.

 

[Xareen]

Kermans sure loved their faience too. Very interesting stuff. I've actually recently come across recently papers mentioning the parallels in burial rituals between our Neolithic and Bronze Age ancestors and contemporary populations. With the onslaught of aDNA linking Cushitic-speaking peoples with the Middle Nile (Kadruka and Nuwayrat Pastoral Neolithic figure) and osteological papers making it clear that there was mass population replacement along the Nile beginning in the Neolithic, both linguists and archaeologists are following suit. We're like the single biggest victims of the post-WWII anti-migration-theory hysteria but slowly we are getting paid our dues.

Imagine my frustration coming across a paper yesterday about a certain king of Kerma called "Nedjeh" mentioned on a stela found in Buhen, where they discussed the name's uncertain linguistic origins, only to only mention Cushitic languages in passing (Cushitic words have non-NS phonemes in name that baffled scholars along with other Afroasiatic), rather resolving to invoke Hyksos loanwords in Nilo-Saharan pre-Meroitic. They didn't even make it clear that Cushitic languages were Afroasiatic lol. Only calling it "African". So weird. Wish I had a knack for linguistics, I'd try to find a proto-EC cognate that would make sense.

 

[Midas]

Kermans sure loved their faience too. Very interesting stuff. I've actually recently come across recently papers mentioning the parallels in burial rituals between our Neolithic and Bronze Age ancestors and contemporary populations. With the onslaught of aDNA linking Cushitic-speaking peoples with the Middle Nile (Kadruka and Nuwayrat Pastoral Neolithic figure) and osteological papers making it clear that there was mass population replacement along the Nile beginning in the Neolithic, both linguists and archaeologists are following suit. We're like the single biggest victims of the post-WWII anti-migration-theory hysteria but slowly we are getting paid our dues.

Imagine my frustration coming across a paper yesterday about a certain king of Kerma called "Nedjeh" mentioned on a stela found in Buhen, where they discussed the name's uncertain linguistic origins, only to only mention Cushitic languages in passing (Cushitic words have non-NS phonemes in name that baffled scholars along with other Afroasiatic), rather resolving to invoke Hyksos loanwords in Nilo-Saharan pre-Meroitic. They didn't even make it clear that Cushitic languages were Afroasiatic lol. Only calling it "African". So weird. Wish I had a knack for linguistics, I'd try to find a proto-EC cognate that would make sense.

My main theory has been for a while now that the lower eygptians who are 80% of the eygptian pouplation actually descended from north african farmers pouplations. Wheras rhe upper eygptianss actually descended from e-v12 proto somalis who arrived in upper eygpt through the red sea. It would explain why over 75% of the people in upper eygpt share the same haplogroup with somalis. They're obviously descended from a single pouplation and after whatever bottlenecks they went through essentially remained unchanged for the last several millenia

 

[Midas]

But anyway my point is way more direct than that. We seem to now have evidence for somalis burying their dead in coffins and that the coffins were somehow designed in the same way as the meoritic royal tombs. These merotic guys were also the last kingdom to follow the ancient eygptian relegion. Especially in their funerary practices.

The question we should be asking is why would somalis in the 1st century a.d who live thousands of miles away in the red sea somehow be using pharaonic funerary traditions. When the the traditional eygptian relegion had been in decline for centuries and nobody has ever seen pharaonic stuff outside eygpt since the bronze age collapse in 1177 b.c

 

[Midas]

Even the Spanish team say that it could have been a coffin.

 

[The alchemist]

Nubians got increased Egyptian influence from the Napatan (Neo-Kushite) period, but the Meroitic period was pretty distinct. These people were not Egyptianized but had many Egyptian influences. These are two different things. Practically, the Nubian civilization was always its own thing. Overall, Egypt is more Nubian than Nubian is Egyptian, even at its highest impression. But to qualify how that is the case requires more foundational explanation.

Somalis traded with that part of the world. The blemmyes had coffins, inlays, too, in Berenike. These guys also had Egyptian-style burial systems when it came to the more wealthy, while generally maintaining the Cushtic style.

After Egyptian colonization of Lower Nubia, you had retention of Nubian burial traditions with some reservedly Egyptian influence, having some wooden coffins and stuff like that in their cemeteries. Actually, the C-Group maintains strong traditional funerary logic since it was how they maintained distinction from these colonizing Egyptians. Their expression of their burial customs was an ethnic signaling, though some new elements of coffins and being buried stretched rather than flexed, sometimes appeared. What was borrowed was more technical rather than strongly ideological.

 

[Midas]

Nubians got increased Egyptian influence from the Napatan (Neo-Kushite) period, but the Meroitic period was pretty distinct. These people were not Egyptianized but had many Egyptian influences. These are two different things. Practically, the Nubian civilization was always its own thing. Overall, Egypt is more Nubian than Nubian is Egyptian, even at its highest impression. But to qualify how that is the case requires more foundational explanation.

Somalis traded with that part of the world. The blemmyes had coffins, inlays, too, in Berenike. These guys also had Egyptian-style burial systems when it came to the more wealthy, while generally maintaining the Cushtic style.

After Egyptian colonization of Lower Nubia, you had retention of Nubian burial traditions with some reservedly Egyptian influence, having some wooden coffins and stuff like that in their cemeteries. Actually, the C-Group maintains strong traditional funerary logic since it was how they maintained distinction from these colonizing Egyptians. Their expression of their burial customs was an ethnic signaling, though some new elements of coffins and being buried stretched rather than flexed, sometimes appeared. What was borrowed was more technical rather than strongly ideological.

Your right that the avg meroe inhabitants were buried in traditional nubian tombs.


But the elite and espciaally the royalty all followed eygptian funerary traditions. They even found copies of the eygptian book of the dead in the meore pyramids.

The implication of those inlays is that this 1st century somali girl was buried in a coffin that was similar in design to meroitic royal coffins.
Considering we know that they mummified and copied all the steps of the eygptian cult. Then this somali girl was buried in a traditional ancient eygptian coffin. And since nobody was importing coffins in the ancient world espcially across thousands of miles of ocean. Then its very likely this coffin was locally made.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I was rereading the Spanish archaeologists excavation of the xiis tombs and this part stood out to me. Inlays,plaques, and tiles in glass which were embedded in ither objects probably wooden boxes. I know we talked about it on here that this was likley a sign that these 1st century somalis had high purchasing power. But I think there is something bigger going on here.

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Merotic royal tombs were heavily eygptianized.
by this i mean they copied literally everything to the dot. Just consider a few hundred years ago they ruled eygpt.

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Here's what the inside of a merotic royal tomb looks like.


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So doesnt it seems strange that you'd find grave goods reserved for merotic royal tombs which followed the ancient eygptian pharaonic cult ?
@The alchemist @NidarNidar @Shimbiris @Idilinaa @Barkhadle1520 @Emir of Zayla

The people who lived in Somali Wayne territories In those times were not Somalis, they spoke a different language most likely, as Somali language is only proven to be 400 years old not 3000 years or they spoke Somali but would be so unfamiliar to modern Somali like old english is to modern English.

Modern Somali is very young only 500 to 800 years old. It doesn't go further then the 13th century(even that earlier variety of Somali would be considered classical since it was in kingdoms).

Early ancient Egyptians or the founding people would of been sister languages to Africa(abstract cultures and prefer the invisible vs the visible world and their traditions centre around it), where as other cultures are about visible(idols, towers, economy, etc) but when migrations happened from other parts of the known world especially the mid east the Persians and Jews(known as syrians or Shaam) the Qur'an and Torah
attacks the later periods of ancient Egypt when these foreigners basically shat over it, not the founding people who were kings and conducted themselves as kings and even Qur'an praises many during prophet Yusuf time(African flavour) vs Moses time(Persian flavoured ancient Egypt).

Till today those mid easterner hate Jews not Africans we don't hate them. The old Africa prefered the hunt for the unknown vs the known visible evidence based approach, they like wisdom not so much knowledge or knowing(what's already known) and humans are known so it wasn't some huge endeavour or desire of their cultural traditions.

 

[Midas]

One thing that I think helps put into perspective the nature of anicnet eygpt is that 80% to possibly 90% of eygpt's pouplation has always lived in this small Nile delta region also called lower eygpt.

all the agriculture,craftsman,temples, necroplises were mainly located here since thtas were everybody lived.

In comparison only 8% of eygpt's pouplation lives below that red line i circled which is 7 of the 8 provinces of upper eygpt. And only 1% actually live in this massive aswan region

 

[DR OSMAN]

One thing that I think helps put into perspective the nature of anicnet eygpt is that 80% to possibly 90% of eygpt's pouplation has always lived in this small Nile delta region also called lower eygpt.

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all the agriculture,craftsman,temples, necroplises were mainly located here since thtas were everybody lived.


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In comparison only 8% of eygpt's pouplation lives below that red line i circled which is 7 of the 8 provinces of upper eygpt. And only 1% actually live in this massive aswan region

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I thought upper Egypt was anything in between Cairo and Aswan and Lower Egypt was Aswan to North Sudan, I'm talking about how ancient Egyptians saw their land prior to invasions from Greece and Rome and who changed settlement patterns like Alexandria and added their greek n Latin naming conventions all over the history and land like the looters they are while the west copied doing their bililiqio raids of Ancient Egypt items.

Modern Egypt border is done by British, this wasn't even their borders under ottomans let alone rome or Greece or god forbid the real ancient Egyptians prior to Persian and shaami migrants.

 

[Midas]

I thought upper Egypt was anything in between Cairo and Aswan and Lower Egypt was Aswan to North Sudan, I'm talking about how ancient Egyptians saw their land prior to invasions from Greece and Rome and who changed settlement patterns like Alexandria and added their greek n Latin naming conventions all over the history and land like the looters they are while the west copied doing their bililiqio raids of Ancient Egypt items.

Modern Egypt border is done by British, this wasn't even their borders under ottomans let alone rome or Greece or god forbid the real ancient Egyptians prior to Persian and shaami migrants.

Nah lower eygpt was from Alexander to Cairo. And from Cairo to aswan is upper eygt

 

[Shimbiris]

The people who lived in Somali Wayne territories In those times were not Somalis, they spoke a different language most likely, as Somali language is only proven to be 400 years old not 3000 years or they spoke Somali but would be so unfamiliar to modern Somali like old english is to modern English.

Modern Somali is very young only 500 to 800 years old. It doesn't go further then the 13th century(even that earlier variety of Somali would be considered classical since it was in kingdoms).

Early ancient Egyptians or the founding people would of been sister languages to Africa(abstract cultures and prefer the invisible vs the visible world and their traditions centre around it), where as other cultures are about visible(idols, towers, economy, etc) but when migrations happened from other parts of the known world especially the mid east the Persians and Jews(known as syrians or Shaam) the Qur'an and Torah
attacks the later periods of ancient Egypt when these foreigners basically shat over it, not the founding people who were kings and conducted themselves as kings and even Qur'an praises many during prophet Yusuf time(African flavour) vs Moses time(Persian flavoured ancient Egypt).

Till today those mid easterner hate Jews not Africans we don't hate them. The old Africa prefered the hunt for the unknown vs the known visible evidence based approach, they like wisdom not so much knowledge or knowing(what's already known) and humans are known so it wasn't some huge endeavour or desire of their cultural traditions.

Old man, these types of threads are not for the likes of you. Please go back to discussing geopolitics in FKDspot or something. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[Midas]

One thing that I think helps put into perspective the nature of anicnet eygpt is that 80% to possibly 90% of eygpt's pouplation has always lived in this small Nile delta region also called lower eygpt.

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all the agriculture,craftsman,temples, necroplises were mainly located here since thtas were everybody lived.


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In comparison only 8% of eygpt's pouplation lives below that red line i circled which is 7 of the 8 provinces of upper eygpt. And only 1% actually live in this massive aswan region

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When you do the math 9% of the total eygptian population is upper eygptian and only 75% of those upper eygptians are e-v12. Then that would mean only 6% of the entire eygptian population is descended from these proto somali pastoralists.

It doesn't sound that crazy when you put it like that right ?