European colonization of the world has largely been a force for good.

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Of course Elon would say that

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

This is according to ChatGPT, so take it with a pinch of salt — but European colonization is estimated to have caused 80 to 100+ million non-European deaths, directly and indirectly. Here's a rough breakdown:

• 50–90 million Indigenous people in the Americas died from disease, conquest, and displacement
• 12.5 million Africans were taken in the slave trade, with 1.5–2 million dying during the journey
• 10–15 million Congolese died under brutal Belgian rule
• 12–35 million Indians died in famines worsened by British policies
• Hundreds of thousands to millions died in colonial wars and crackdowns across Africa and Asia

"It’s all good though, because we brought them civilization, raised their standard of living, ended slavery, and built infrastructure."

 

[TheLand]

This is according to ChatGPT, so take it with a pinch of salt — but European colonization is estimated to have caused 80 to 100+ million non-European deaths, directly and indirectly. Here's a rough breakdown:

• 50–90 million Indigenous people in the Americas died from disease, conquest, and displacement
• 12.5 million Africans were taken in the slave trade, with 1.5–2 million dying during the journey
• 10–15 million Congolese died under brutal Belgian rule
• 12–35 million Indians died in famines worsened by British policies
• Hundreds of thousands to millions died in colonial wars and crackdowns across Africa and Asia

"It’s all good though, because we brought them civilization, raised their standard of living, ended slavery, and built infrastructure."

Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant

 

[TheLand]

Of course Elon would say that

It’s a clear form of munaafaqad. The Mongols for example were just pure extortionists, they didn’t hide it or dress it up. They just slaughtered tons of people and never made any excuses about it. I’m not condoning it, merely showing that in the end they ended up killing way more than the Mongols ever did but they want to always seem ‘good’ and morally superior. It just shows they have deep shame about it and are trying to rationalize away their crimes.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

It’s a clear form of munaafaqad. The Mongols for example were just pure extortionists, they didn’t hide it or dress it up. They just slaughtered tons of people and never made any excuses about it. I’m not condoning it, merely showing that in the end they ended up killing way more than the Mongols ever did but they want to always seem ‘good’ and morally superior. It just shows they have deep shame about it and are trying to rationalize away their crimes

They’ve documented their history in great detail, yet act willfully ignorant about the darker parts, just own up to it.

History is history. You can’t rewrite it simply because certain aspects make you uncomfortable. They proudly acknowledge the progress and the advantages and achievements it brought them, but the moment their historic violent or murderous actions are brought up, they rush to justify or deflect.

It’s as if some are obsessed with portraying others as uncivilized, and violent, while the darker parts of their own history reflect exactly that, if not worse.

This isn’t a generalization or a hate-on-cadaans thread, but a critique of the clear hypocrisy shown by those who feign ignorance the moment their own historical atrocities are brought to light.

 

[mnrep05]

Cadaans are probably the worst humans to have ever lived in terms of sheer negative impact on the world.

Edit: Mongols are a close second

 

[motivation]

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[Basra]

Of course Elon would say that

I agree 100%



Europe colonization of the third world savage nations has been a force for good.


Even to Ottoman. Before the arrival of Europians in Turkey- Homosexuality used to be normal and non punished in the harems. It came down to a White man to tell them NO according to their bibles. This is an "abomination"

The Ottomans being muslim apparently forgot the story of Qomul Lut in the Quran.


That is the power of the White man. And that is Why Trump is president now. To set the down morality straight, appointed by God!

 

[bohom]

I agree 100%



Europe colonization of the third world savage nations has been a force for good.


Even to Ottoman. Before the arrival of Europians in Turkey- Homosexuality used to be normal and non punished in the harems. It came down to a White man to tell them NO according to their bibles. This is an "abomination"

The Ottomans being muslim apparently forgot the story of Qomul Lut in the Quran.


That is the power of the White man. And that is Why Trump is president now. To set the down morality straight, appointed by God!

Protect Basra's freedom to vote

 

[Basra]

Protect Basra's freedom to vote

 

[TheLand]

Protect Basra's freedom to vote

She’s right, without the European colonists an old man would never be able to act like her. Ami right @wonyluvr

 

[Waryaamus]

Elon and his family directly benefitted from colonialism, his grandfather supported South African apartheid. This take is to be expected from someone like him.

 

[reer]

It’s a clear form of munaafaqad. The Mongols for example were just pure extortionists, they didn’t hide it or dress it up. They just slaughtered tons of people and never made any excuses about it. I’m not condoning it, merely showing that in the end they ended up killing way more than the Mongols ever did but they want to always seem ‘good’ and morally superior. It just shows they have deep shame about it and are trying to rationalize away their crimes.

somali instability is a direct result of colonialism. if galbeed + nfd were under somali authority then:
1. somalis list access to 3 rivers (dawa river + genale river + tana river). kenya and ethiopia run those trivers
2. somalis lose so much mountainous terrain which makes the border vunerable
3. somalis lose much more agricultural lands


the instability is a direct result of colonialism. deep down some of them KNOW its bad which is why they try to justify it with phrases like 'we built railways'.

 

[Medeea]

the instability is a direct result of colonialism. deep down some of them KNOW its bad which is why they try to justify it with phrases like 'we built railways'.

The British even dismantled the Xamar to balaacd railway and moved them to Kenya lool.

But honestly, it depends on who you ask. In many parts of Africa, W.Europeans taught them the concept of wearing clothes, civilization and statehood.
Some other groups benefited greatly from aligning with them. For ex, Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and the founder of Saudi Arabia.

For others(like us) the Europeans went out of their way to screw us over. Skin tone played a role, but it was mostly because we (well, not all of us) refused to submit or “know our place.”

Take Geldi, for ex, They gave the Europeans a hard time for nearly 60 years. And were doing just fine(far cry from the ajuuran tho) prior to their arrival.

1. **Trade Kings**
- Controlled the **Shabelle River** trade routes (ivory, slaves, guns).
- Rivaled the **Omani Arabs** in wealth—taxed caravans going to/from the coast.

2. Military Genius
- 1843: Defeated the Omani Empire (Battle of Adaddey)—forcing Oman to pay tribute.
- 1870s: Crushed the Bardera Jihadists, proving they could beat religious extremists.
- Crushed the Ethiopian(battle of luuq)
- 1880s: Fought Italy to a stalemate for 20 years —longest resistance in Somali history.

3. Diplomatic Players
- Played the British, Italians, and Ethiopians against each other.
- Sultan Ahmed Yusuf (r. 1848–1878) was called **"The Cleverest Prince in Africa"** by Europeans.

### **How They Fell**
- **1880s:** Italians & British started carving up Somalia.
- **1908:** Last Sultan (**Osman Ahmed**) surrendered to Italy.
- **Legacy Erased:** Colonial historians downplayed them to hype **Omani/Ottomans**.”

 

[JustSomeGuy]

They’ve documented their history in great detail, yet act willfully ignorant about the darker parts, just own up to it.

History is history. You can’t rewrite it simply because certain aspects make you uncomfortable. They proudly acknowledge the progress and the advantages and achievements it brought them, but the moment their historic violent or murderous actions are brought up, they rush to justify or deflect.

It’s as if some are obsessed with portraying others as uncivilized, and violent, while the darker parts of their own history reflect exactly that, if not worse.

This isn’t a generalization or a hate-on-cadaans thread, but a critique of the clear hypocrisy shown by those who feign ignorance the moment their own historical atrocities are brought to light.

That’s the worst part, that their history is so well documented, the horrors committed and the reasons why, yet they either ignore it or outright deny it.

They’ll tell you they did it for some “noble cause” but in reality their ancestors wrote down that they did it simply because they could and were proud of it. A lot of them were monsters and proud of it, bragged about it and never made any excuses.

 

[sh-89]

They’ve documented their history in great detail, yet act willfully ignorant about the darker parts, just own up to it.

History is history. You can’t rewrite it simply because certain aspects make you uncomfortable. They proudly acknowledge the progress and the advantages and achievements it brought them, but the moment their historic violent or murderous actions are brought up, they rush to justify or deflect.

It’s as if some are obsessed with portraying others as uncivilized, and violent, while the darker parts of their own history reflect exactly that, if not worse.

This isn’t a generalization or a hate-on-cadaans thread, but a critique of the clear hypocrisy shown by those who feign ignorance the moment their own historical atrocities are brought to light.

The reason I think why is because they are Christian and therefore are a hybrid between their ancestors (the Romans who thought others were barbaric and uncivlized) mixed in with Christian savior aka white man's burden. This is why they do it. While, comparing them to other expansionst conquers is different because they didn't have any shame as the other poster said. Alexander and Julius Ceasar loved their achievements since power is addictive.

The Romans colonized the British Isles for centuries. The Brits were essentially the continuation of the Romans which is what Hitler wanted as well since they are both Germanic people. The Indigenious British were oppressed (Welsh, Irish etc). Hitler was both in awe and envious of the British.

Having a big empire is a gift and a curse because eventually it falls apart from within from stretching itself too far. It's never sustainable.

Islam has elements of expansionism and the need to save others through colonizing them. Islam is in many ways the continuation of Judiasm and Christianity combined. The world is divided like this now:

Most economic power: Asians
Most cultural power: Brits/Americans (Americans just like the Brits were to the Romans are a continuation of British invest many way) the key feature is language
Most followed religion: Islam/Semitic religions

Thats how the power is divided right now but soon Africa will rise again since it will have the most people (perfect for empire building). I think then the world will be divided by a strong America in the Western hemisphere, Asia having power and Africa/MENA/Europe being the middle power. It will be a 3 power division of the world. Thats what China and America want. Since right now America is leading and doesnt want to since again empires are a gift and a curse. They turn into hell from within.

But anyways overall I see history not from an emotional perspective. Humans are violent. Measuring who WAS more violent is dumb when we really should be focusing on who is about to be violent in the FUTURE.

 

[The truth seeker]

British colonies economically always preform better than Spanish and Italian colonies

The Japanese empire committed much worse atrocities than every European nation expect for Belgium

 

[sh-89]

British colonies economically always preform better than Spanish and Italian colonies

The Japanese empire committed much worse atrocities than every European nation expect for Belgium

This is historically inaccurate. The Japanese were brutal during WW2 for sure but nothing compared to the Americas. The Americas alone puts Portugese, Spanish, British and France ahead of Japan and Belgium. Belgium had a uglier history in Africa.

Portuguese and Spainish aren't talked about as much because their activity happened in the past and they didn't engage as much with Africa.

Germany, Japan etc wanted to colonize and be as powerful as the British etc but entered colonization too late. And colonization led to the most brutal wars in Europe in WW1/2. So it ended up destroying them too.

Imo the European colonization of Africa is overblown. We were colonized for a short period time life one or two lifetimes at most since humans were living until 40 in Africa.

Look at Somalia 1889-1960 thats 73 years. Like I mentioned the British themselves were colonized by the Romans for 350 years. The Romans enslaved the Gauls and others.

Portugal was under Islamic rule for 500 years. The way they teach history is to frame it like Europeans overall villains but it also simultaneously makes Africans look weak too. You cant have it both ways. My issue is the way it is taught is historically inaccurate.

And colonization is a long process not instantly. People act like the European came to Africa and Americas and ruled. When a lot of it involved trading and complex proxy wars, diseases etc.