Abu Hesi
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Ethiopia and UAE to recognize Somaliland
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Sigmundd
INACTIVE FORVER
we shall see in the long run if greater Somalia becomes a thing or Somaliland becomes independent
Abdisamad
VIP
She/he is good people, leave her/him alone.
Abdisamad
VIP
Sorry I don't know if @pinkyandthebrain is a guy or a girl.. Why I used he/her pronouns lol
Abu Hesi
VIP
Confused people need guidance sxb.
May Allah destroy the Khawarij governments of Saudi uae and Qatar they were the ones who spread their Wahhabism to every corner of the Muslim world leading to terrorism everywhere wether it’s the Philippines or Nigeria once the oil is finished and the south Asians who built your countries return you goat fuckers won’t last a day
Abu Hesi
VIP
What happened in the Philippines? Lol
I’m just saying how far the Wahhabi gov of Saudi spread the dirty ideology the terrorists in the Philippines were massacring people but they were finished out and cleared done for
Kizaru
Cast in the name of God Ye not Guilty
Dont make this about qabil. Its just common sense. Many of my northern friends claim this is a low iq deal. Only die hard succesionist folks agree with this. Inshallah over the coming months we see who truly what holds us back. We need to offer the people of the north and somaliwayne more then a qabil syndicate
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Abdisamad
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Lol the name is confusing
I think some of us sense the naivete.
Ethiopia, with a population of 120 M, has been hungry for sea access since its loss of Eriteria. SL has a population of ~3-4 Million. The man in charge of that nation is a Warhawk that sets ethnic groups against each other. The country is in a worse financial predicament and has defaulted on loans. How do you also intend to control migration? There is an asymmetry in power, with SL disadvantaged.
SL is one of the poorest unrecognized nations out there. Other than some semblance of peace until last year. It doesn't have much to boast about in 30 years. It is a place where corruption is also rife. With this admin they have differed elections even longer and caused a significant amount of trouble by harming citizens in SSC. Remember, they were the first to strike. The government has also contributed to the death toll and the worsened economic predicament SL sees itself in.
In addition, they cannot be trusted with resource exploration due to a lack of transparency with the public regarding contracts. The leaders in power have a for sale sign attached to their heads, like many other leaders on the continent. They do not mind becoming richer while the people remain poor and disenfranchised.
Also, sadly, because of unresolved war trauma, isolationism and propaganda, they have allowed themselves to be emotionally manipulated by the false promise of full nationhood. Which requires a lengthy process and being in front of the ICJ. The locals also seem to project this false idea that Samaroon is fully on board. When that is far from the truth. You need full stakeholder support which isn't fully there.
Ethiopia, with a population of 120 M, has been hungry for sea access since its loss of Eriteria. SL has a population of ~3-4 Million. The man in charge of that nation is a Warhawk that sets ethnic groups against each other. The country is in a worse financial predicament and has defaulted on loans. How do you also intend to control migration? There is an asymmetry in power, with SL disadvantaged.
SL is one of the poorest unrecognized nations out there. Other than some semblance of peace until last year. It doesn't have much to boast about in 30 years. It is a place where corruption is also rife. With this admin they have differed elections even longer and caused a significant amount of trouble by harming citizens in SSC. Remember, they were the first to strike. The government has also contributed to the death toll and the worsened economic predicament SL sees itself in.
In addition, they cannot be trusted with resource exploration due to a lack of transparency with the public regarding contracts. The leaders in power have a for sale sign attached to their heads, like many other leaders on the continent. They do not mind becoming richer while the people remain poor and disenfranchised.
Also, sadly, because of unresolved war trauma, isolationism and propaganda, they have allowed themselves to be emotionally manipulated by the false promise of full nationhood. Which requires a lengthy process and being in front of the ICJ. The locals also seem to project this false idea that Samaroon is fully on board. When that is far from the truth. You need full stakeholder support which isn't fully there.
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Kizaru
Cast in the name of God Ye not Guilty
basically qabil. Shit turned us into a joke. What are the people in north going to offered if they want to stay. Somalia just swaps between 2 clans. The die hard successionists use the current political situtation in somalia to sway the populus into believing their existence is non visable. Shit has to change
صياحكم طرب يا ولاوينA new Horizon is set to begin in the horn
In a way, I understand the dilemma. The successionists are very committed to the idea and have spent so much time on this mission to let it go. The sunk cost fallacy is at play, where the more you invest, the more reluctant you are to abandon it. I mean, it is understandable when loss and fear motivate their desire for self-determination and establishment as a nation with all the perks that come with it. However, I'm not sure how plausible it is.
Some people experienced losses during the war and developed some distrust/feeling of betrayal, under the impression they only had themselves to rely on i.e. family/qabil. Justice is also unlikely, especially in Somalia, where people often get away with war crimes often aided and abetted by their clansmen. However, what may start as a movement with good intentions, like liberation from injustice, can turn sour. And they may also not have entirely clean hands either.
I think SL was in a unique position over the past 30 years to advance further than it has. It was given many opportunities even to have the seat of power transferred to the north and shared or work with nearby SSC or PL while the south was adjusting. I highly doubt the idea of centralized power would ever come back, so fear of state-sanctioned violence was not as imminent. They made some bad moves in the East in the past 20 years. And they did a poor job at diplomacy. They never fully considered qabil inclusion. To be deemed bold or revolutionary by Somalis, you must go against the norm and fight the urge to be clanist favouring competency and integrity instead. They argue that they have representation of other clans, but it's window dressing and doesn't even meet the baseline criteria of transformative leadership.
Some people experienced losses during the war and developed some distrust/feeling of betrayal, under the impression they only had themselves to rely on i.e. family/qabil. Justice is also unlikely, especially in Somalia, where people often get away with war crimes often aided and abetted by their clansmen. However, what may start as a movement with good intentions, like liberation from injustice, can turn sour. And they may also not have entirely clean hands either.
I think SL was in a unique position over the past 30 years to advance further than it has. It was given many opportunities even to have the seat of power transferred to the north and shared or work with nearby SSC or PL while the south was adjusting. I highly doubt the idea of centralized power would ever come back, so fear of state-sanctioned violence was not as imminent. They made some bad moves in the East in the past 20 years. And they did a poor job at diplomacy. They never fully considered qabil inclusion. To be deemed bold or revolutionary by Somalis, you must go against the norm and fight the urge to be clanist favouring competency and integrity instead. They argue that they have representation of other clans, but it's window dressing and doesn't even meet the baseline criteria of transformative leadership.
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Kizaru
Cast in the name of God Ye not Guilty
true. Somaliland couldve actually laid the foundations for somalia's growth but chose the isolationalist and spectator. Somalia then had no hope whatsoever
What?? reer konfur ignoraned us from taking part to rebuilt the old republic by going on their own way thinking the whole nation belongs to them so that's why we went in our own way too by restoring the soverginity of our lost state that gained its independence on June 26 1960
If I was fearful and felt historically wronged I would choose to be a gaajo fish in a smaller pond. My adrenals and mental resources would be too exhausted to see a kursi, newfound relevancy and a visionary outlook focused on ensuring Somali prosperity.
