Egyptian Thinks She's Not Arab.

[Lebron James]

We are discussing this because our situation is similar to Egypt, we have insecure coons like you who deny every connection we have with the Middle East & Arabia and they have some self-hating Arabphopes who consumed Western race concepts.

Allah made you something and you hate it, then go around calling people coons or murtads. Love what the Al mighty created you as but you won’t

 

[GaradShabeel]

Why don't they just create a version of Arabic that is a synthesis of all languages in Morocco? Similar to how Indonesia created a new language that consisted of most languages of the country

I agree, but neither their Arabic (Darja) respective Tazamigh languages are mutually intelligible.

A southern Arabic speaker can’t understand that well a northern Arabic speaker. The same with Tamazigh.

It would be a hard task to create two new languages. At least for Arabic, they have Fus’a or even French since most people speak it nowadays. I guess that’s how they manage it.

 

[NordicSomali]

You're a black african, maxa kaa galay

Obsession with Arabs continues…

 

[Khaem]

Only the eastern desert of Sudan and Lower Nubia was truly Cushitic but even these regions are not in our hands anymore. Easter Sudanic tribes in antiquity followed by Semitic tribes from Arabia during the Mamluk period took over the region.

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That's Cushitic speaking. Many of them speak Semetic and nilo saharan. languages now.
Ethnically the habash Highlands are Cushitic as well as a good part of Sudan.

 

[Hamzza]

Allah made you something and you hate it, then go around calling people coons or murtads. Love what the Al mighty created you as but you won’t

At least I am consistent and don't spend half the time hating on the Madows and the other half forcing Madow identity on other people's throats. Pick a side you flip-flopper

 

[Step a side]

That's Cushitic speaking. Many of them speak Semetic and nilo saharan. languages now
Ethnically the habash Highlands are Cushitic as well as a good part of Sudan.

The map shows where Cushitic is spoken today. It used to be much larger in Sudan and southern Egypt according to archeological research.

 

[Khaem]

The map shows where Cushitic is spoke today. It used to be much larger in Sudan and southern Egypt according to archeological research.

Yeah even a hundred years ago it would be a different story in Sudan. Many sudanese have grandparents who didn't speak Arabic.
A decently built somali state can and should bring back Cushitic rule to Sudan. Beja is cushitic so one of those languages should be the official one.

Not only would it satisfy my Cushitic Ubermench dreams, but it would also give us a fellow muslim Cushitic nation as an ally against Ethopia. Imagine a off brand somalia at the northern border, amxaro would be jumping into the red sea.

 

[Deleted L]

Ethnicity is a social construct and it’s not necessarily tied to genetics or ancestry. If you speak Arabic as a first language and come from an Arab country or group, you are an Arab. This whole emphasis and obsession with “race” or “racial-genetic” is a White American Anglo-saxon cultural concept which they have exported to the rest of the world. A Morrocan who identifies as an Arab and speaks Arabic as his mother tongue is as much of an Arab as a Saudi, Egyptian or Sudanese. Likewise, a Somali Bantu or a Shaanshi Reer Hamar that speaks Somali as his first language and comes from a Somali country is as much of a Somali as traditional clans (Hawiye, Darood, Isaaq, Rahanweyn, Dir etc) with Cushitic ancestry.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

At least I am consistent and don't spend half the time hating on the Madows and the other half forcing Madow identity on other people's throats. Pick a side you flip-flopper

There's no compromise with such Anti-Arab people. It's either my way or the highway with such people!

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Ethnicity is a social construct and it’s not necessarily tied to genetics or ancestry. If you speak Arabic as a first language and come from an Arab country or group, you are an Arab. This whole emphasis and obsession with “race” or “racial-genetic” is an White American Anglo-saxon cultural concept which they have exported to the rest of the world. A Morrocan who identifies as an Arab and speaks Arabic as his mother tongue is as much of an Arab as a Saudi, Egyptian or Sudanese. Likewise, a Somali Bantu or a Shaanshi Reer Hamar that speaks Somali as his first language and comes from a Somali country is as much of a Somali as traditional clans with Cushitic ancestry.

You cannot overlook the fact the peoples that were successfully Arabised shared significant Natufian/Afro-Asiatic ancestry with their Arabian rulers/conquerors. Natufian/Afro-Asiatic derived populations who spoke Berber, Semitic and Egyptian were far more open to adopting the Arab identity.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Una Faccia, Una Razza [One face, one race] concept applied to the Afro-Asiatic peoples who came under the rule of the Arabians; they were far more willing to assimilate into the Arab identity than Iranians for instance thanks to the racial commonalities that were recognised by the Arabian rulers and their conquered Afro-Asiatic subjects.

 

[Khaem]

Ethnicity is a social construct and it’s not necessarily tied to genetics or ancestry. If you speak Arabic as a first first language and come from an Arab country or group, you are an Arab. This whole emphasis and obsession with “race” or “racial-genetic” is an White American Anglo-saxon cultural concept which they have exported to the rest of the world. A Morrocan who identifies as an Arab and speaks Arabic as his mother tongue is as much of an Arab as a Saudi, Egyptian or Sudanese. Likewise, a Somali Bantu or a Shaanshi Reer Hamar that speaks Somali as his first language and comes from a Somali country is as much of a Somali as traditional clans with Cushitic ancestry.

I disagree on some points.
You are an Arab if you speak Arabic, but also you cannot deny that you have to look the part as well. Morrocans can be called Arab because they look identical to Saudi Arabians. North africans and middle east are very similar. You think in a room full of brown people, some black sudanese will be considered no different that from the rest? Sudanese get juggled between Arab and blacks who speak Arabic like every other Tuesday.

Ethnicity is not a social construct in the way you say. There are some exceptions like Han Chinese, Arabs, oromo and many others who are known as "macro-ethnicities" which are a large group of people who have been unified by common language and sort of identitify as a single ethnicity despite not genetically being so.
However the majority of ethnic groups are very much real. I am an ethnic somali, I cannot go and claim to be an Han Chinese just because it's a "social construct" like you say. Phenotypes play a huge role in whether or not you can be considered part of the group.
I am weary of you bringing up colonialism and the British because lots of people like to pin everything that doesn't align with leftist values but is global as just "colonial mentality".

Ethnicity is a real thing. A somali bantu (assuming he isn't heavily somali admixed) is not the same as I, an ethnic somali. They still have roots in the swahili coast and are bantu.
Black Americans who have suffered much the same fate as somali Bantus and live in the same circumstances in which they have assimilated into the wider culture are still a distinct people.
Just because black Americans are petty much identical to white Americans in terms of language, religion and culture due to assimilating into Anglo society doesn't make them white American. They are still different and you won't see them trying to abandon their west african roots to claim they are whites.

Likewise somali Bantus have assimilated and lived among us for centuries but they are still bantu, you cannot tell me to call them as much an ethnic somali as one from a Cushitic clan that's a stretch homeboy. Somali citizens sure, but calling them ethnic somalis is dumb and I will never accept that as a Djiboutian who doesn't deal with southern antics.
The Somali ethnicity especially is a defined thing, Somalis are one of the most homogenous and least diverse groups in Africa. Don't confuse us with oromo who assimilated everyone's grandmother. Somali are a clear genetic thing. I will not erode our integrity as a distinct ethnic group by calling people with obvious foreign origins as ethnic somali because apparently ethnicity is a "social construct", don't bring that liberal bullshit here, cadaans are commiting suicide with this type of thinking somalis should have no part in it, somali will remain how they have always. They are somali citizens, but don't push it.

 

[GaradShabeel]

I disagree on some points.
You are an Arab if you speak Arabic, but also you cannot deny that you have to look the part as well. Morrocans can be called Arab because they look identical to Saudi Arabians. North africans and middle east are very similar. You think in a room full of brown people, some black sudanese will be considered no different that from the rest? Sudanese get juggled between Arab and blacks who speak Arabic like every other Tuesday.

Ethnicity is not a social construct in the way you say. There are some exceptions like Han Chinese, Arabs, oromo and many others who are known as "macro-ethnicities" which are a large group of people who have been unified by common language and sort of identitify as a single ethnicity despite not genetically being so.
However the majority of ethnic groups are very much real. I am an ethnic somali, I cannot go and claim to be an Han Chinese just because it's a "social construct" like you say. Phenotypes play a huge role in whether or not you can be considered part of the group.
I am weary of you bringing up colonialism and the British because lots of people like to pin everything that doesn't align with leftist values but is global as just "colonial mentality".

Ethnicity is a real thing. A somali bantu (assuming he isn't heavily somali admixed) is not the same as I, an ethnic somali. They still have roots in the swahili coast and are bantu.
Black Americans who have suffered much the same fate as somali Bantus and live in the same circumstances in which they have assimilated into the wider culture are still a distinct people.
Just because black Americans are petty much identical to white Americans in terms of language, religion and culture due to assimilating into Anglo society doesn't make them white American. They are still different and you won't see them trying to abandon their west african roots to claim they are whites.

Likewise somali Bantus have assimilated and lived among us for centuries but they are still bantu, you cannot tell me to call them as much an ethnic somali as one from a Cushitic clan that's a stretch homeboy. Somali citizens sure, but calling them ethnic somalis is dumb and I will never accept that as a Djiboutian who doesn't deal with southern antics.
The Somali ethnicity especially is a defined thing, Somalis are one of the most homogenous and least diverse groups in Africa. Don't confuse us with oromo who assimilated everyone's grandmother. Somali are a clear genetic thing. I will not erode our integrity as a distinct ethnic group by calling people with obvious foreign origins as ethnic somali because apparently ethnicity is a "social construct", don't bring that liberal bullshit here, cadaans are commiting suicide with this type of thinking somalis should have no part in it, somali will remain how they have always. They are somali citizens, but don't push it.

Best post of the thread. I agree in full

Identity crisis really do wonders Imagine wanting claim a foreign identity so much to the point of suppressing (and attempting to invalidate) your entire existence and that of your fellow people

It’s one thing for people to identify with whatever they desire, but don’t come and push your confusion upon others. That’s where you cross the line

 

[ImanStan001]

I Somali citizens sure, but calling them ethnic somalis is dumb and I will never accept that as a Djiboutian who doesn't deal with southern antics.
The Somali ethnicity especially is a defined thing, Somalis are one of the most homogenous and least diverse groups in Africa. Don't confuse us with oromo who assimilated everyone's grandmother. Somali are a clear genetic thing. I will not erode our integrity as a distinct ethnic group by calling people with obvious foreign origins as ethnic somali because apparently ethnicity is a "social construct", don't bring that liberal bullshit here, cadaans are commiting suicide with this type of thinking somalis should have no part in it, somali will remain how they have always. They are somali citizens, but don't push it.

Lmfao

anyways as someone from the south , no one treats non ethnic Somalis as real Somalis and neither do they see themselves as such . It’s only online you’ll see ppl trying it

 

[Abdirazaq]

Sudanese speak Arab with some arab genetic lineage = They’re begging arab identity, they hate being black.

egpytian doesn’t identify as Arab = why are they acting like they’re not arabs.

Stop the bs, let her identify as an Egyptian copt or whatever her ancestors were.

stop trying to control other peoples identity, especially when they have legit claims it’s super cringe. That said I think it’s unhealthy to not acknowledge the Arab influence in her identity and have it be a part of her too.

 

[Deleted L]

I disagree on some points.
You are an Arab if you speak Arabic, but also you cannot deny that you have to look the part as well. Morrocans can be called Arab because they look identical to Saudi Arabians. North africans and middle east are very similar. You think in a room full of brown people, some black sudanese will be considered no different that from the rest? Sudanese get juggled between Arab and blacks who speak Arabic like every other Tuesday.

Ethnicity is not a social construct in the way you say. There are some exceptions like Han Chinese, Arabs, oromo and many others who are known as "macro-ethnicities" which are a large group of people who have been unified by common language and sort of identitify as a single ethnicity despite not genetically being so.
However the majority of ethnic groups are very much real. I am an ethnic somali, I cannot go and claim to be an Han Chinese just because it's a "social construct" like you say. Phenotypes play a huge role in whether or not you can be considered part of the group.
I am weary of you bringing up colonialism and the British because lots of people like to pin everything that doesn't align with leftist values but is global as just "colonial mentality".

Ethnicity is a real thing. A somali bantu (assuming he isn't heavily somali admixed) is not the same as I, an ethnic somali. They still have roots in the swahili coast and are bantu.
Black Americans who have suffered much the same fate as somali Bantus and live in the same circumstances in which they have assimilated into the wider culture are still a distinct people.
Just because black Americans are petty much identical to white Americans in terms of language, religion and culture due to assimilating into Anglo society doesn't make them white American. They are still different and you won't see them trying to abandon their west african roots to claim they are whites.

Likewise somali Bantus have assimilated and lived among us for centuries but they are still bantu, you cannot tell me to call them as much an ethnic somali as one from a Cushitic clan that's a stretch homeboy. Somali citizens sure, but calling them ethnic somalis is dumb and I will never accept that as a Djiboutian who doesn't deal with southern antics.
The Somali ethnicity especially is a defined thing, Somalis are one of the most homogenous and least diverse groups in Africa. Don't confuse us with oromo who assimilated everyone's grandmother. Somali are a clear genetic thing. I will not erode our integrity as a distinct ethnic group by calling people with obvious foreign origins as ethnic somali because apparently ethnicity is a "social construct", don't bring that liberal bullshit here, cadaans are commiting suicide with this type of thinking somalis should have no part in it, somali will remain how they have always. They are somali citizens, but don't push it.

Like I said earlier, ethnicity is a social contruct. Your genetic makeup in and of itself doesn’t determine your ethnicity, what determines your ethnicity has to do with many factors such as geography, language/languages, culture, political alliances, origin myths, traditions, common history etc, all of which is a social construct. A Somali Bantu has more right to Somalinimo then an Afar who is genetically more related to ethnic Somalis and looks exactly like us.

Despite sharing the same language to White Americans, African Americans are a distinct ethnic group because of common history and how society views them and what they view themselves. Phenotypes might play a role in us guessing which ethnicity someone is but in and of itself it doesn’t determine what ethnicity someone is.

I’m all for Somalis preserving our heritage and culture and i’m not suggesting that we go down the same path as White ultra-liberals In Europe/North America but ethnicity being a social construct is an objective fact, not liberal propaganda.

Like in the original post, this obsession that some people have with who’s ancestors were “Arabized” 1400 years ago or 700 years ago is irrelevant.

 

[islaanaliharti]

Jaalle, everyone is a kushite. Kushites were first civilization in the world.
Where are my royal kushite brothers at.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

My first decree as somali king, is to pay yemenis to come and marry somalis so that somalis will get the black away from them and we can restore our natufian beauty and get rid of nilotic components

 

[Tewahedo]

Imagine a English person claiming he or she is a Celt or some other pre-Germanic/Anglo-Saxon British identity, it would be ridiculous because the ancestral component that has defined their current identity [culture, language e.g] came from their Anglo-Saxon ancestral component.

Same goes for the Egyptians who carry some Arabian ancestry from their early Medieval Arabian Liberators which has defined their current identity as an Arab one.

Despite that Egyptians do have much less Arabian ancestry than English people who carry high amounts of Anglo-Saxon dna [ranging from 40-60%]; the point still stands that Egyptians will always be viewed as an Arab people because of the deep Natufian ancestry that Egyptians & Arabians share. The guy in the video did touch on that shared Natufian ancestry, but he used the wrong term [Semitic].

It is a prevailing phenomenon among the populations in the MENA region to adopt non-Arab identities, seeking to break free from the negative stereotypes associated with the Arab world. Their aim is to align themselves with success and value, drawing from aspects of their history that accentuate their positive attributes. This trend is also observable among some Lebanese individuals who identify as 'Phoenicians.' Such behavior reflects a deeper issue of feeling inferior and points towards the presence of an inferiority complex.

 

[Tewahedo]

You cannot overlook the fact the peoples that were successfully Arabised shared significant Natufian/Afro-Asiatic ancestry with their Arabian rulers/conquerors. Natufian/Afro-Asiatic derived populations who spoke Berber, Semitic and Egyptian were far more open to adopting the Arab identity.

Italians score more natufian ancestry than most moroccan berbers...