Egypt blames Ethiopia for stalling Nile dam talks

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CAIRO: Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi strongly rebuked Ethiopia on Tuesday, accusing Addis Ababa of stalling negotiations over a mega-dam being built on the Nile and moving ahead with plans to start filling the reservoir before reaching a deal.

“A timeline must be set to finish up negotiations, so it does not turn into a new tactic of stalling and shirking responsibility from the 2015 Declaration of Principles which all three countries agreed to,” El-Sisi’s office said in a statement.

The agreement signed by Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan paved the way for diplomatic talks after Addis Ababa began construction of the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam nearly a decade ago.

The strongly-worded statement from El-Sisi’s office said Ethiopia’s position was “inconsistent” with its legal obligations and “casts a shadow over the negotiations.”
It came on the day the three countries resumed talks, after Sudan on Monday coaxed Egypt back to the negotiating table.
But Egypt said Tuesday the invite “comes three weeks too late” as Ethiopian authorities had already “signalled their intention to move forward with filling the reservoir of the Renaissance Dam without reaching an agreement.”

Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed told lawmakers on Monday that his country would stick to its plan to soon begin partial filling of the reservoir which can hold 74 billion cubic meters of water.

“The dam is a project that will pull Ethiopia out of poverty. Ethiopia wants to develop together with others, not hurt the interests of other countries,” he said.
In mid-May, Ethiopian Foreign Minister Gedu Andargachew accused Egypt of being obstructionist and said his country “does not have a legal obligation to seek the approval of Egypt to fill the dam.”

Irrigation and water ministers from the three Nile basin countries began meeting via videoconference Tuesday along with three observers from the United States, European Union and South Africa.

Following several failed rounds of negotiations, the United States and the World Bank sponsored talks from November 2019 aimed at reaching a comprehensive agreement.

Both Khartoum and Cairo fear the 145-meter-high (480-foot-high) dam will threaten essential water supplies once the reservoir starts being filled in July as planned by Addis Ababa.

But while Egypt, which is heavily dependant on the Nile, worries about its share of the water, Sudan hopes the dam could provide much-needed electricity and help regulate flooding.

The 6,600-kilometer-long (3,900-mile) Nile is a lifeline supplying both water and electricity to the 10 countries it traverses.
Its main tributaries, the White and Blue Niles, converge in the Sudanese capital Khartoum before flowing north through Egypt to drain into the Mediterranean Sea.

 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
Egypt doesn't like the upstream countries to have a chokehold on its water supply.

They can't stop Ethiopia from completing the GERD dam. Habashis will have a spigot to turn on/off the water flow as they please. If Egypt doesn't want to have a noose on its neck in the long term, it needs to develop alternative ways of fresh water supplies like desalination/atmospheric moisture collection. It can also learn to properly manage water usage i.e. conservation. Egypt really ought to study Israel's water management system.

The negotiations with Ethiopia is a stalling method for Egypt. That's the reality of the above article.
 

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Egypt doesn't like the upstream countries to have a chokehold on its water supply.

They can't stop Ethiopia from completing the GERD dam. Habashis will have a spigot to turn on/off the water flow as they please. If Egypt doesn't want to have a noose on its neck in the long term, it needs to develop alternative ways of fresh water supplies like desalination/atmospheric moisture collection. It can also learn to properly manage water usage i.e. conservation. Egypt really ought to study Israel's water management system.

The negotiations with Ethiopia is a stalling method for Egypt. That's the reality of the above article.
Ethiopia doesn't seem to have a friend in this fight. They are actively fighting Sudan along the border and the US has made it clear Egypt is more important than Ethiopia. Do you think Ethiopia will contact America's allies such as Israel to pressure the US?
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
There is no need for allies on the issue of the GERD construction. Ethiopia can't be sanctioned internationally. Besides, it is being financed domestically (with help of China to some degree?). The scope of the project is of no importance to the world powers. It's a regional affair.

What Ethiopia needs to do is to have robust air defense and jamming systems around the dam.

I know there is already an air defense system in place. Israeli?

In short: Keep building. Keep negotiating. Finish the project. Keep negotiating. Fill up the dam. Keep negotiating. Turn the lights on. Keep negotiating..........

Use the negotiations as a training school for few generations of your diplomats.
 

Prime Minister

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There is no need for allies on the issue of the GERD construction. Ethiopia can't be sanctioned internationally. Besides, it is being financed domestically (with help of China to some degree?). The scope of the project is of no importance to the world powers. It's a regional affair.

What Ethiopia needs to do is to have robust air defense and jamming systems around the dam.

I know there is already an air defense system in place. Israeli?

In short: Keep building. Keep negotiating. Finish the project. Keep negotiating. Fill up the dam. Keep negotiating. Turn the lights on. Keep negotiating..........

Use the negotiations as a training school for few generations of your diplomats.
The air defence is Russian and I think Israel would rather have ties to Egypt that Ethiopia. The problem with your point is that Ethiopia is not stalling they don’t even want to negotiate so what is Egypt supposed to do?
 

Al Muslim

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All it would take is a few bombs or one large explosive device and the dam would be no more, I doubt s have the capacity to defend that dam 24/7. And this will affect Sudan as well (which incidentally has been having border clashes with them) so now there are two countries very much against the dam.
 

Rooble44

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There is no need for allies on the issue of the GERD construction. Ethiopia can't be sanctioned internationally. Besides, it is being financed domestically (with help of China to some degree?). The scope of the project is of no importance to the world powers. It's a regional affair.

What Ethiopia needs to do is to have robust air defense and jamming systems around the dam.

I know there is already an air defense system in place. Israeli?

In short: Keep building. Keep negotiating. Finish the project. Keep negotiating. Fill up the dam. Keep negotiating. Turn the lights on. Keep negotiating..........

Use the negotiations as a training school for few generations of your diplomats.
>Keep building.
>Keep negotiating.
>Finish Project.
>Keep negotiating.
>Fill up the dam.
>Keep negotiating.
>Turn the lights on.
>Keep negotiating.
>Use the negotiations as training for few generations of your diplomats.


Muh sides
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Egypt is loosing this battle.

Not because Ethiopia is skilled at international affairs but because Egypt is arrogant and making stupid mistakes

Egyptians have taken a "muh the Nile is part of my 5000 years history so it's mine" aproach

Kenya also took a similar approach with Somalia and maritime border conflict, thinking it was a walk over because Somalia has been failed for so long.

Such approaches will always fail.

IMO, Egypt should have fueled ethnic conflict in Ethiopia and found a way to demolish the dam.

If they had done that in the first place, nobody would have given two shits but now they just look like pussies.

International politics is like that, you can't afford to be seen as soft
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
All it would take is a few bombs or one large explosive device and the dam would be no more, I doubt s have the capacity to defend that dam 24/7. And this will affect Sudan as well (which incidentally has been having border clashes with them) so now there are two countries very much against the dam.
I doubt few conventional bombs can inflict deep structural damage to the dam. As far as I know Egypt doesn't have bunker-busting bombs. Very few countries have them. Among the Muslim nations, I believe only Turkey manufactures them. Erdogan would never sell them to el-Sisi.

 
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The country has majority of it's population situated near the Nile river. The Nile river is extremely polluted due to overpopulation, you will see people throwing animal carcasses and feces into it in broad daylight in Egypt. If Egypt dries up, majority of it's population will migrate somewhere else or die from a water shortage.
 
Egypt is primarily Muslim and will not be supported, Israel will choose Ethiopia over Egypt. A strong Ethiopian is more ideal for Western Powers.
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
Egypt is primarily Muslim and will not be supported, Israel will choose Ethiopia over Egypt. A strong Ethiopian is more ideal for Western Powers.
Israel's security directly depends on the situation in Egypt. It is far more important for the survival of the Jewish state.
 

Al Muslim

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I doubt few conventional bombs can inflict deep structural damage to the dam. As far as I know Egypt doesn't have bunker-busting bombs. Very few countries have them. Among the Muslim nations, I believe only Turkey manufactures them. Erdogan would never sell them to el-Sisi.


Interesting, but wouldn't a ballistic missile demolish it? The vast majority of Muslim nations have those Egypt and Sudan definitely have many. Doesn't ever matter if its soviet era, I very much doubt the damn would survive multiple ballistic missile hits. But if a conventional conflict does come out of this then ethiopia would undoubtedly collapse, Somalis oromos and a few other groups are waiting for the opportunity to rebel.
 
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