Educated Xalimo makes Londonistanis mad

[Keep it a boqol]

I know ,he could marry another xalimo.
His wife looks very east African

I hear she’s Bengali

 

[Mukhalas]

-Lol, you can't be serious. 98% of Somali women have gone through FGM.

- Due to poverty, forced marriages of Somali girls in the countyside and significantly older men of 60+ has become common. Various articles talk about this.

-Forced marriages are common In Pakistan and parts of India.

- There have been several high profile honor killing cases in Shami countries like Jordon, Palestine and Syria. Legally, men that kill their womenfolk due to honor get lighter prison sentences.

- There has been rampant acid attacks against women in Pakistan and Bangladesh due to rejecting marriage.

All of these are facts and you can easily research it, but I guess screaming 'feminist' and wanting women to continue in hell like conditions is fine by you.

-I never said it was a religion problem. Where did I say that? Show me? Do you have comprehension problems.

- These cultural problems are rife in Muslim societies and any woman that talks about it is branded a feminist.

-Despite the majority of the mistreatment women face being haram, many Muslim men either ignore it or justify it.

Somali women are as much culpable as Somali men on FGM, there’s 80s somali documentary in YT.

I cannot comment on other unislamic practices like honor killing and forced marriages as I can’t relate to because they don’t exist in our community .

Most women that are branded feminists are the ones that have completely walked away from the righteous path. Not every woman that speaks out against injustice in her community.

 

[Bundasliga]

Yes and what is wrong with that? At this point, this is literally you trying to nit pick and find flaws in very straight forward points.

Saxib, have you seen the way polygamy has been practised in the Somali community?! This is a show about women talking about the experiences they have seen in the community. At this point this is simply men really trying to shut down any dialoge and it is downright scary, experiences when we know it is common in the Somali community for men to go back home and get married again.

How is that halal to have two women in different countries? How can equality be maintained? How is it moral to lie and hide marriages?

But guess what, that is literally how the average man does polygamy. Yet discussing this is 'feminist'.

Go ahead & let your man marry a 2nd wife & let him be an example for all of us

 

[Angelina]

Somali women are as much culpable as Somali men on FGM, there’s 80s somali documentary in YT.

Yes and why is that? During our Grandmother's generation and even our mothers, if you didn't get FGM you're a ****. Please tell me what mother wants her daughter to be branded as such? Women are a product of society and will do the bidding of what men want. Now FGM is out of fashion, as the men have decided it is wrong. Thank Allah for that!

I cannot comment on other unislamic practices like honor killing and forced marriages as I can’t relate to because they don’t exist in our community .

Yes, but rampant in a lot of other communities and yes it does happen in Somalia but more so for economic reasons rather than culture.

Most women that are branded feminists are the ones that have completely walked away from the righteous path. Not every woman that speaks out against injustice in her community.

Saxib, the vast majority of women who do talk about these issues are branded feminist by at least some men. Many see talking about this as a challenge against men and 'making Muslims look bad'. Which is what I think what a lot of the men have issues with.

 

[Qeelbax]

We know that ,maybe he married another one. He's current wife looks very east African. Where you get that she's Eritrean?

The internet exposed all this when he got married. She looks very East African because she’s East African. The L belongs to Eritreans not us. Be happy and don’t ask too many questions child

 

[Angelina]

Go ahead & let your man marry a 2nd wife & let him be an example for all of us

And why would I? When Islam gives me the right to put in an anti-poligamy clause? Also, why would you talk about my personal life in a discussion about society, why be disrespectful in that way?

Thanks for proving my point walal.

 

[Mukhalas]

The reason many of you turn out as misogynistic MGTOW manosphere males aka 4M, is because you think the internet is real life. It’s not. If I based by opinion of men on youtube, I’d think you all are Andrew Tates disciples. If I based my opinion of men on Twitter, I’d think all men are transgenders with beards in makeup and mini skirts taking up all the spaces of women. Please come back to earth and stop thinking Jack Dorsey’s and Jawid Karims inventions = the real world.

Mysogynistic MGTOW?? How did you come to that conclusion?

Andrew Tate and the likes of him are saqajaan, any young muslim brother that follows them is misguided.

 

[Angelina]

Mysogynistic MGTOW?? How did you come to that conclusion?

Andrew Tate and the likes of him are saqajaan, any young muslim brother that follows them is misguided.

Andrew Tate has been celebrated in the Muslim community. He was interviewed by the deen show and that Gabriel guy and was interviewed by that famous Islamic speaker (forgot his name. He was in a scandal a few years back). Anyways, Tate has had support by the Muslim community and many young boys with the encouragement of Muslim speakers who should know better. When Muslim women on social media objected to Tate a lot of Muslim men attacked them by calling them liberal feminists loooool. Imagine, insulting and verbally attacking a Muslim woman over a gaal pimp? What a time to be alive.

 

[Quickly]

I agree with the sisters here that there a LOT(probably a majority) of cases where men do not properly fulfil their roles when doing polygamy cuz it’s not as easy as men think BUT, we can all agree that the kids from houses with single parents have a bigger disadvantage then one within a two parent household right? This isn’t “manosphere/redpill” talking points wth.

 

[Mukhalas]

Andrew Tate has been celebrated in the Muslim community. He was interviewed by the deen show and that Gabriel guy and was interviewed by that famous Islamic speaker (forgot his name. He was in a scandal a few years back). Anyways, Tate has had support by the Muslim community and many young boys with the encouragement of Muslim speakers who should know better. When Muslim women on social media objected to Tate a lot of Muslim men attacked them by calling them liberal feminists loooool. Imagine, insulting and verbally attacking a Muslim woman over a gaal pimp? What a time to be alive.

Hopefully those young brothers will grow wiser and stop following him, you cannot look up to someone that made his wealth by pimping business, subhannallah!

 

[Bundasliga]

The internet exposed all this when he got married. She looks very East African because she’s East African. The L belongs to Eritreans not us. Be happy and don’t ask too many questions child

Seems like you trying to put this under the rug asap

And why would I? When Islam gives me the right to put in an anti-poligamy clause? Also, why would you talk about my personal life in a discussion about society, why be disrespectful in that way?

Thanks for proving my point walal.

Why not ? Let them be an example for all of us. You mentioned they talk about their experiences with polygamy within their community ,apparently everyone besides the prophet s.a.w does it wrong .

 

[Angelina]

I agree with the sisters here that there a LOT(probably a majority) of cases where men do not properly fulfil their roles when doing polygamy cuz it’s not as easy as men think BUT, we can all agree that the kids from houses with single parents have a bigger disadvantage then one within a two parent household right? This isn’t “manosphere” talking points wth.

There are disadvantages but I found their reasoning disingenuous.

In our community, polygamy usually happens with the husband going away back home. Whilst the husband is gone months at a time, what is the wife? A single mother.

Contrary to popular belief, a lot of Somali mothers who appear single in the UK especially the over 45s aren't even divorced women, but the husband has gone to Somalia for business/politics/retirement and gets himself a young woman in the process.

If Mohammed Hijab and Ali Dawah were actually looking at the reality of polygamy in the West in a more nuisanced way, they wouldn't have come up with the single mother argument as polygamy is literally what is making women single mothers in the 1st place.

No one wants to look at the reality. Just a idealised version and when women do talk about the reality, it causes shockwaves and anger.

 

[Angelina]

Hopefully those young brothers will grow wiser and stop following him, you cannot look up to someone that made his wealth by pimping business, subhannallah!

Can you really blame the young brothers, when older, religious men who are pillars of the community are giving Tate a platform?!

Would these Muslim men interview a prostitute who praises Islam?!!!

 

[Quickly]

There are disadvantages but I found their reasoning disingenuous.

In our community, polygamy usually happens with the husband going away back home. Whilst the husband is gone months at a time, what is the wife? A single mother.

Contrary to popular belief, a lot of Somali mothers who appear single in the UK especially the over 45s aren't even divorced women, but the husband has gone to Somalia for business/politics/retirement and gets himself a young woman in the process.

If Mohammed Hijab and Ali Dawah were actually looking at the reality of polygamy in the West in a more nuisanced way, they wouldn't have come up with the single mother argument as polygamy is literally what is making women single mothers in the 1st place.

No one wants to look at the reality. Just a idealised version and women do talk about the reality, it causes shockwaves and anger.

I agree with everything you say here. It is 1000x harder to do polygamy in the west because of how the economics are set up. Like I’d assume only the top 5% of Muslim men in the west can afford to provide to be in polygamous relationships and respect all the other rules like spending the same amount of time with them, etc. Also it all depends on the first wife if she agrees with it or not.

 

[Quickly]

Also keeping it here, radfeminism and Andrew Tate type manosphere are just different sides of the same coin, both are half truths but always end up having the people hating the other gender the more they consume it. But the radfems leave religion in bigger numbers. Agree or disagree @Qeelbax and @Angelina ?

 

[Angelina]

Also keeping it here, radfeminism and Andrew Tate type manosphere are just different sides of the same coin, both are half truths but always end up having the people hating the other gender the more they consume it. But the radfems leave religion in bigger numbers. Agree or disagree @Qeelbax and @Angelina ?

Maybe? I actually haven't ever met a radfem in real life and tbh redfem is against Abrahamic religions and believe that religions oppress women.

With redpill, misogynistic men can use and twist parts of the deen that fit their agenda and that is what makes it scary. Islam is a religion in which the patriarchs are meant to lead society, so the idea of 'men in charge' is very much in line with the deen, but the difference is that redpill calls for unrestricted patriarchy that can easily create hostile and abusive atmospheres for women and when we as a Muslim woman challenge that, misogynistic Muslim men can easily accuse you of having issues with male authority in general. What is scary, is that this twisting of the religion can easily push away reverts or other Muslim women of limited knowledge of the religion. It is frightening Wallahi.

 

[AllStarSaciid]

We are talking about the Muslim community NOT just Somalis.

And Elyaazzzz 98% of Somali women born and raised in Somalia have had FGM, so what on earth are you talking about? This isn't up for debate.

Come on now, this is just taking the piss. 98% damn. Where’d you get these stats from???
I mean do u know how many women are in Somalia?
ok. I watched the video the whole entire thing and the sisters were talking about how Polygyny isn’t practiced “right” and how it made them FEEL.
No Quran, no sunnah.(objective truth)
Let’s be honest they don’t have a problem with how it’s practiced whether right or wrong, coz it wouldn’t change how THEY FEEL at the end, they have a problem with the institution itself.

That was not a conversation had to come to objective truth. It was an emotional discussion.

 

[Maraq]

Dunno why some women here have such intense hate for the 2 brothers, so much so that they call one inbred.

So they called out 3 uneducated girls who spout their opinion on delicate matters, despite being grossly unqualified, so what?

Very bizarre

 

[Angelina]

Come on now, this is just taking the piss. 98% damn. Where’d you get these stats from???
I mean do u know how many women are in Somalia?

Anyone who knows anything about Somalis and FGM would know that pre-1990 nearly all women had FGM done on them. All of our mothers and grandmothers. Also actual statistics say 98% but I believe it is higher. Only in the West do Somali women under 35 not have FGM done on them. As a man, this isn't a topic I expect you to know about.

ok. I watched the video the whole entire thing and the sisters were talking about how Polygyny isn’t practiced “right” and how it made them FEEL.

In many situations, polygamy isn't practiced right at all. In the Somali community 9/10, the husband goes back home to marry again. Is that correct?

No Quran, no sunnah.(objective truth)
Let’s be honest they don’t have a problem with how it’s practiced whether right or wrong, coz it wouldn’t change how THEY FEEL at the end, they have a problem with the institution itself.

The Quran and Sunnah talks about how polygamy is practiced and they talked about situations in which polygamy isn't practiced properly. There is nothing haram about what they said. If you're going to bring up Quran and Sunnah, show me where they go against the Quran and Sunnah and in what parts?

The way it is practiced will have a huge impact on how women feel. Polygamous rules have been set in place by Allah so that Muslim women are not oppressed.

That was not a conversation had to come to objective truth. It was an emotional discussion.

Yes, and marriages are based on emotions. It is very dumb to not take that in consideration. The feelings of the spouses are of outmost importance.

 

[Angelina]

To those attempting to critique polygamy, tread lightly. You better be in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah

Yes and where did these women say polygamy is haram?!

This is the issue of a lot of men on this site. They don't listen to original content and then jump to conclusions simply because they're women.

I deep down believe that if three men said what they said, there would hardly be any criticism. The nitpicking of MH was insane and at times came across as petty.

At one point the sister said, 'if a woman decides to leave'

MH then jumped and said 'how can a sister decide? She has to ask her husband for permission to get a divorce or the local Sharia courts' she thinks she's equal to men ect.

That nitpicking was on another level and silly. Before a woman asks her husband or the Sharia courts for divorce, surely she has to think it through and decide before hand??!

This is the level of nitpicking and fault finding and twisting they're dealing with.