Dutch elections: today right wing populists will suffer their first defeat

[arawelo 2.0]

It is more noticeable when you're a small group

whether its the nearly 200,000 Somalis in Canada or the 40,000 in holland, we seem to be seen as the face of failed immigration.

why??

 

[arawelo 2.0]

Check pm

 

[Striker]

It's official!!!!

Hon Ven Gobert won with 65% vote

 

[Abdalla]

The turnout is now at 70% with less than 2 hours to go. It will surpass the 80% mark. If Wilders wins this elections, then he has a very clear mandate from the population

there's less than 40,000 Somalis in holland. how the hell did we bring bad attention to ourselves there too?

I think our aversion and dislike for manual work is catching up on us. Somalis are seen as the prototype of failed immigration policy, Iranians as the face for a successful immigration. I know guys that went through hell to reach Europe, they walked through the sahara and swim over the sea, just to do nothing all day. Reaching Europe was their goal and not a tool to reach their goal i.e. education or wealth.

 

[Abdalla]

Long queues at the train stations. Whoever wins has a clear mandate of the nation

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Long queues at the train stations. Whoever wins has a clear mandate of the nation

A lot of young people.....Is that a good sign or does Geert Wilder good graps on them too?

 

[Burhan]

The turnout is now at 70% with less than 2 hours to go. It will surpass the 80% mark. If Wilders wins this elections, then he has a very clear mandate from the population



I think our aversion and dislike for manual work is catching up on us. Somalis are seen as the prototype of failed immigration policy, Iranians as the face for a successful immigration. I know guys that went through hell to reach Europe, they walked through the sahara and swim over the sea, just to do nothing all day. Reaching Europe was their goal and not a tool to reach their goal i.e. education or wealth.

Mostly in Europe though where Somalis can be considered a failed immigrant community. America is about working hard and there is no serious welfare to make one who is young and healthy very happy.

They had Swedish and Danish delegates to Minnesota once to study the success of Somalis in the state. What I read about their comparison was that having a job in those two countries required language skills where in America language is not a requirement and you can have the job as long as you can physically do the job. The economic opportunity gave Somalis then a leg up when they bought cars and could rent decent apartments. These lead to good schools for their children and more opportunities. Many Somalis started their own businesses. They are doing well both in private and public sector.

What screws up Europe is the welfare and the lack of policy towards employment. America is a tough country for any weak individual. Old people and poor young kids never do well because Government doesn't take care of them per tradition. Europe has generous social welfare which made Somalis relax into idle status.

Living in America is hard for the native born. Immigrants in fact have a better start than these natives in many ways. This is why immigrants do well often.

 

[Abdalla]

A lot of young people.....Is that a good sign or does Geert Wilder good graps on them too?

They are usually anti-Wilders and pro muliti-culturalism

 

[simulacrum]

there's less than 40,000 Somalis in holland. how the hell did we bring bad attention to ourselves there too?

They probably published the latest unemployment rate based on ethnicity, the same way they did with Somalis in the UK. The group that has the highest unemployment rate get the most attention in the media. The anti-cushiticism is real everywhere.

 

[Abdalla]

The first exit polls are in:

The party of the PM is the biggest with 31seats (they had 41 in last elections)
Wilders is among the three parties that have 19 seats

The labour party went from 38 to 9 seats

 

[Abdalla]

The turkish mps received 3mps

 

[LittleNileRiver]

Mark Rutte won

 

[LittleNileRiver]

Sorry @AbdiJohnson, your beloved Geert Wilders got rekt!

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Sorry @AbdiJohnson, your beloved Geert Wilders got rekt!

Alt-right leaders can't win a single popular vote, Wilders can't win on a technicality like Trump :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Abdalla]

Wilders got rekt because of the huge turnout of 81%

We are the Waterloo of the populism

 

[LittleNileRiver]

@AbdiJohnson Better change your avatar to Marine Le Pen! :siilaanyosmile:

 

[XamarCade]

Since we have to put up with Trump here I hhope you guys get a right winger just like him, if we suffer, everyone must suffer, y'all ain't special :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Abdalla]

The biggest winner is the Justin Trudeau wannabe Jesse Klaver from 4 seats to 16 seats

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Since we have to put up with Trump here I hhope you guys get a right winger just like him, if we suffer, everyone must suffer, y'all ain't special

Proportional voting systems prevent that :siilaanyolaugh:

You need to win the popular vote here and you don't win trough a technicality (Electoral college)

 

[Steamdevolopment]

The biggest winner is the Justin Trudeau wannabe Jesse Klaver from 4 seats to 16 seats

Uh, he fine, he can green me up: