Dr Osman View On Identity Politics

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As some who follow me and my philosophy I generally do not support identity politics and believe in human rights as my guiding morality which I think fits beautiful with God giving Adam his freedom to be tested, without this freedom, their is no test. I believe in this as a universal principle and do not shy away from it. But let's address why Dr Osman falls down to identity politics in Somalia because 'clan' is in the same category as other identity politics(religion, tribe, gender, ethnicity, economic class).

In the west it is well known that their business elites gutted their unions becuz they didn't like workers united on their economic interest. It also deregulated a-lot so it can increase it's profit without a price interference authority to sell within the purchasing power of the average local.

They have since took control of the donor aspects of both the right and left and why people today will comment they don't see any real idealogical difference between the two, especially the 'center right, center left'. Well obviously if their reporting to business for funds to campaign, they will surely have similar policies or else they won't get those funds.

The left was independent when unions were strong and had their donation stream reporting to it's members, but the business elite foresaw by eliminating it, it can control both parties rather then 1 party(the right). The business elites now demand both parties to focus on identity politics becuz they knew when workers got poorer thru no unions-deregulation of pricing authorities, it would create an 'angry' political climate and they don't want that anger geared towards them but within themselves.

They do this by finding fringe movements or conspiracy theories and work out if it has gained support and run it thru it's mass media by calling the CEO and then force parties to make it a POLITICAL issue. This deflects the locals from uniting on their economic interest and harming their business interest.

The business elite will continue this route by exploiting race, religion, ethnicity, immigration, gender, sexual orientation untill that has come to political expiry. They will then use shared external enemy like the cold war and USSR or China. It may use free world vs dark world alliances.

Now you may ask, since Dr Osman knows identity politics is just used by Somalis for personal interest of their leaders who do the same clan drumming tactic in Somalia, why do I support it? Well I ask in response, why do you support a 'Somali nationalist' leader who uses the ethnicity card to achieve his personal interest? Listen were stuck in identity politics but at least with clan, it can be justified to address on-ground realities.

Politicians don't create the pre-existing identities, but only milk it. Pre-existing identities exist way before and way after a leader. But with clan being our strongest form of identity at the local level and a civil war over clan and power, has provided me with enough confidence that any system that doesn't address clan and serve it, is trying to enforce another foreign system such as nationalism.

Nationalism is only strong in Somalis OUTSIDE Somalia not Inside of it. Even the strength of nationalism I argue is only strong if an external ethnicity is present and a threat and it's not strong on it's own even in foreign countries, this can explain why they can't create a functional Somali wide diaspora committees. But if their is an ethnic threat, then only then is Nationalism strong and even that last link is 'weakening'.

But after observing how clan is a pre-existing identity that has developed over 800-1000 years, after observing Somalis fought over centralized power along clan lines, after seeing that some clan shoulder the burden of Somalinimo(marehan, hartis) but none of the benefits.

I accepted clan as the solution, yes politicians exploit it or clan drum, but that doesn't mean clan is the problem, in-fact it is the solution. Their has been more progress under it then there ever was under a nationalist agenda(1991-2004).
 
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But remember the west is similar to Somalia but just a bit more sneaky about it's goals. The west exploit identity politics so their rich can continue being rich and making govt poor thru low-taxes and making workers poorer thru lower wage and deregulation on key instruments like pricing authorities across the market.

If I wanted today, I could create a scenario that people with red hair are evil, promote their discrimination thru the media by showing evil red headed people on the news and only allowing bad news that involves them. After a while, you the public will think it's true and then donors tell politicians make it a POLITICAL issue that is discussed while they do their off-shoring, deregulating, low taxes, push wages down. Dr Osman isn't an idiot as u may all think.

Plus I know full well that Somali leaders tactics linking their private interest into political interest using clan or nationalism. But with clan, it's so unavoidably REAL unlike Somali(nationalism invented to counter colonialism) which has expired when colonial or shared enemy was gone untill Siyad carried on using 'ethio' card before that collapsed and then the REAL identity came to the foreground CLAN and then we got the civil war that had to happen. Yes i call it the WAR that had to happen so Somalis never ever ignore the clan factor in their political system again.
 

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That govt structure(centralism and concentrating power to clans), the economic disparities between region and capital, the foreign idealogy(ethnic nationalism) and the external shared enemy ethio and colonials gone, could only create a civil war that had to happen. It was unavoidable, no leader could've held such system together untill the clan under-belly came out and say like roman reign on wwe says

 

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Some Somalis think it's 'ceeb or backwards' to talk clan, this is from colonial era this thinking, their thinking like the colonials taught them. Whether u want to accept it or not, U will acknowledge clan as roman reign says in BRUTAL way 'ACKNOWLEDGE ME' becuz there nothing you can build in Somalia if u dont address it or else it will be another scenario that experts will predict somalia is a civil war in the making becuz they didn't ACKNOWLEDGE CLAN a pre-existing identity for 800-1000 years will not disappear becuz u think its 'ceeb or backwards' SON OF A biij ACKNOWLEDGE MEEEEEEE BUU KU LEE YAHAY and stop ur petty foreign copy cat attempts to copy other nations.
 

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The civil war should've told us that no matter how much you try to brush Qabil under the rug it will still emerge its devilish head.

The best thing for Somalia is transitional government to go from a Xeer system which give the major clans autonomy to a degree but they all have to still follow a national court which is made up from 20 selected members from each clan to a future islamic government where clans have been slowly eroded to a social aspect rather than a Political/Economical system.

Same way Communist agree the best transition for their world view is Capitalism -> Socialism -> Communism
 

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The civil war should've told us that no matter how much you try to brush Qabil under the rug it will still emerge its devilish head.

The best thing for Somalia is transitional government to go from a Xeer system which give the major clans autonomy to a degree but they all have to still follow a national court which is made up from 20 selected members from each clan to a future islamic government where clans have been slowly eroded to a social aspect rather than a Political/Economical system.

Same way Communist agree the best transition for their world view is Capitalism -> Socialism -> Communism

The way I see clan is this beast identity developed and honed over 800-1000 years, sitting there like a BEAST, ama 'dhar national ku xidh, ama somali neceb ku xidh like isaaq' u just trying to 'tame' it down but once the 'clothes' u put on it are no longer in the equation, mark my word, u will have the civil war that had to happen as it comes back and says 'ACKNOWLEDGE' ME. Dhar yar oo foreign ha ii gelin is what he is screaming to u, ive been here 800-1000 years buu ku lee yahay, there no 100 year idealogy(somali nationalism) or somali neceb(30 year idealogy) will ever REMOVE ME.
 

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The way I see clan is this beast identity developed and honed over 800-1000 years, sitting there like a BEAST, ama 'dhar national ku xidh, ama somali neceb ku xidh like isaaq' u just trying to 'tame' it down but once the 'clothes' u put on it are no longer in the equation, mark my word, u will have the civil war that had to happen as it comes back and says 'ACKNOWLEDGE' ME. Dhar yar oo foreign ha ii gelin is what he is screaming to u, ive been here 800-1000 years buu ku lee yahay, there no 100 year idealogy(somali nationalism) or somali neceb(30 year idealogy) will ever REMOVE ME.
Many other groups were able to eliminate tribalism. People now fight over Ethnicities, Nationalism, Political ideologies and Religion.
 

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Many other groups were able to eliminate tribalism. People now fight over Ethnicities, Nationalism, Political ideologies and Religion.

I'll do a deep discussion on communism. But be prepared for it. A pure communism proposes no private ownership of anything, govt managed and owned, GDP redistributed equally to everyone, ppl are acknowledged only thru 'awards n medals like military no financial reward'. It's very foreign to religious principles of god judging humans individually and rewarding them. But I will discuss if it's possible, is it even natural to nature, wat wud a world be like when there is no financial incentive becuz ppl love to be 'special' or different to others. It wud cure poverty but their wud be no rich either and how that wud fare against mental psyche or if it wud rott like we saw in somalia where they began black markets
 

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I'll do a deep discussion on communism. But be prepared for it. A pure communism proposes no private ownership of anything, govt managed and owned, GDP redistributed equally to everyone, ppl are acknowledged only thru 'awards n medals like military no financial reward'. It's very foreign to religious principles of god judging humans individually and rewarding them. But I will discuss if it's possible, is it even natural to nature, wat wud a world be like when there is no financial incentive becuz ppl love to be 'special' or different to others. It wud cure poverty but their wud be no rich either and how that wud fare against mental psyche or if it wud rott like we saw in somalia where they began black markets
Communism is the mentality of a loser. They cannot strive to reach the heavens so they want to drag everyone down to the same level. A very shaitanic ideology.
 
@DR OSMAN
Oi mate, I caught an episode of one of your podcasts the other day whilst driving in rural America, and was impressed, and must say, whilst I disagree with some, some of your thoughts are sound. Well done.

Going by many of your posts here, you come across a classic identiity politics comrade, which conflicts with your premise here; care to reconcile?
 
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@DR OSMAN
Oi mate, I caught an episode of one of your podcasts the other day whilst driving in rural America, and was impressed, and must say, whilst I disagree with some, some of your thoughts are sound. Well done.

Going by many of your posts here, you come across a classic identiity politics comrade, which conflicts with your premise here; care to reconcile?

Ideally and reality is two different things. In theory it sounds workable humans being given rights and judged at a human level, it's a very big aspiration, but practically the way the world is set up, it's just not realistic, it's ideal, the theory is perfect and in-line with religion but it's just impossible in this complex world of identities, so I have to fall to some identity level of politics myself due to reality pressures.

Therefore I am strong proponent of carving a system that fits the clan narrative not ignore it with Clan characteristics not just politically but eventually education and economically to produce strong results like China did with communism with chinese characteristicss, it didn't just copy n paste.
 
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@DR OSMAN
Oi mate, I caught an episode of one of your podcasts the other day whilst driving in rural America, and was impressed, and must say, whilst I disagree with some, some of your thoughts are sound. Well done.

Going by many of your posts here, you come across a classic identiity politics comrade, which conflicts with your premise here; care to reconcile?

Plus I love federalism it addresses clan but also 'power' which was the recipe to our war, we didn't fight each other over clan for wealth or social reasons, but power we did. Federalism carefully ensures that can never happen again. Infact separation of powers is another layer of safety such as 'executive, judicial, parliament', I even promote 'isimo' layer with reserve powers like the Monarch of UK to 'save' the nation in time of constitutional or political crisis but not in 'day to day' politics which will ruin their reputations.

The other reason why I like Federalism, our power and territories is separated from each other, which brings political diversity and therefore different results, which can only mean we can improve if one is incompetent or lagging behind or we can clearly see where the problem is, unlike centralized govt. The final reason, if one place falls, doesnt mean we all do, infact it means we can recover quicker with places standing helping places fallen. Plus our economy will spread out not concentrated touching more ppl lives plus it's harder to destroy a federal country as it's not concentrated.
 

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@DR OSMAN
Oi mate, I caught an episode of one of your podcasts the other day whilst driving in rural America, and was impressed, and must say, whilst I disagree with some, some of your thoughts are sound. Well done.

Going by many of your posts here, you come across a classic identiity politics comrade, which conflicts with your premise here; care to reconcile?

U didn't really point out which points u disagree on for me to analyze if it's grounded in feelings and emotions(beliefs are not facts or else it wouldnt be a belief) or it has sound rational merit either theoritical or practical or even stronger 'both'.
 

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@DR OSMAN
Oi mate, I caught an episode of one of your podcasts the other day whilst driving in rural America, and was impressed, and must say, whilst I disagree with some, some of your thoughts are sound. Well done.

Going by many of your posts here, you come across a classic identiity politics comrade, which conflicts with your premise here; care to reconcile?
Where can I hear his podcast? Am really interested to hear him
 

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