An Oxford source on somali slavery was posted today by a famous anti somali troll acc can anyone debunk this walaalo?
Does this source have any sort of debunk
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Nothing to debunk, somalis in the Gulf arab countries were routinely kidnapped and sold to slavery. Keyword here is that this happened in the Gulf, not Somalia. Shows how dangerous was traveling to a foreign place. Same thing used to happen to foreigners shipwrecked in somali coast, from indians to arabs.
I have seen this page before but looking closely something is off.
The girls were already captive in Berbera before being kidnapped. The source says they were prisoners of war.
There is 2 options. A rival clan had these women as prisoners or these women were not of somali origin. Which one is it, we will never know.
I have seen this page before but looking closely something is off.
The girls were already captive in Berbera before being kidnapped. The source says they were prisoners of war.
There is 2 options. A rival clan had these women as prisoners or these women were not of somali origin. Which one is it, we will never know.
Well I actually have debunk on the 233 girls but your logic adds to it and as for the gulf slavery I also have a source proving that somalis enslaved would be freed or the captor punished
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Yeah I have a direct source challenging the kidnapping I think
Emir of Zayla
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It wasn’t routinely. This was a very rare occurrence, capturing somalis was equivalent to piracy back then and also illegal due to the many treaties done with our neighbors.
In that period people from Iceland to France to Italy to Yemen were periodically being abducted by pirates and sold into slavery, this is exactly how a Chinese warlord could have Hadrami girls from Yemen in his court, they were kidnapped by pirates, to whom tribe was more important than religion. In many such cases these girls were married off to a supposedly pious husband who then divorced them and then shipped these girls to a faraway location so that their fathers and brothers could not retrieve them.
In our case it was clearly not widespread but opportunistic in nature during a major international trade fair at Berbera, where the presence of foreign merchants would not have raised suspicion. What matters in this story is that the families, of the girls, dispatched a multilingual Guarantor with diplomatic influence to retrieve the girls, and they knew the exact amount of women that were missing.
The fact that the British colonel Samuel Hennell was also shocked by the incident and considered it a ‘case of enormity’ is just evidence that this was a rare example, and not the “Gotcha” certain anti-Somalists would like it to be.
Enslaving a Somali was considered ‘forbidden’ and ‘piracy’. These captors did not invade, subjugate or conquer any part of the Somali peninsula. Instead they had to kidnap these girls in the most shady and cowardly manner, as they could never do it in the open or even admit that this was their end game, because they would have suffered repercussions. There has never been a foreign power on Somali soil that could subjugate us en mass as a people, and subject us to a pipeline of cattle-slavery departing from our ports.
It would have been non-stop warfare.
In our case it was clearly not widespread but opportunistic in nature during a major international trade fair at Berbera, where the presence of foreign merchants would not have raised suspicion. What matters in this story is that the families, of the girls, dispatched a multilingual Guarantor with diplomatic influence to retrieve the girls, and they knew the exact amount of women that were missing.
The fact that the British colonel Samuel Hennell was also shocked by the incident and considered it a ‘case of enormity’ is just evidence that this was a rare example, and not the “Gotcha” certain anti-Somalists would like it to be.
Enslaving a Somali was considered ‘forbidden’ and ‘piracy’. These captors did not invade, subjugate or conquer any part of the Somali peninsula. Instead they had to kidnap these girls in the most shady and cowardly manner, as they could never do it in the open or even admit that this was their end game, because they would have suffered repercussions. There has never been a foreign power on Somali soil that could subjugate us en mass as a people, and subject us to a pipeline of cattle-slavery departing from our ports.
It would have been non-stop warfare.
I still think the claim of 233 to be specific is cap just like the yemeni one that says 300 that was debunked by some landers I believe there was an expedition to the gulf to procure if there was somali girls enslaved and the british found nothing
Yeah I saw this but I think there is in fact a debunk for the girls and what happened to the kidnapped somalis concerning if they were enslaved or the enslaver was punished
Emir of Zayla
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I remember an old thread about this and the Majeerteen sultan threatened one of the Gulf sultans that he’ll kill any arab he sees from his tribe if justice wasn’t brought. Tho it was on a thread a few years back.
Yeah that but also what I was referring to is that the 233 girls there was a british expedition to the gulf and they found none of them and the 4 in the bottom were saved from slavery and any somali kidnapped would be freed and the captor punished essentially preventing them from being enslaved
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