Does Islam Like Black People?

[attash]

So the prophet got word from god that it was okay then changed his mind, makes sense

And when did this take place? I think you are bit lost here akhi, the point is that there is no evidence that the Prophet (SAWS) and the sahabah engaged in intercourse with pagans after this ayah was revealed.

If you want to refute this, show me an explicit statement from the ahaadith that this occured.

The Quraysh are said to be the best of mankind,

Where? Like I said, waad iska hadlaysaa lmao.

when I show that you call it ‘descriptive’ when I show they have the rights over the caliphate you say it’s ‘practical’

Because it is? This isn't me saying this, this is the explanation that the scholars gave. Historically, there were non-Qurayshi groups who held the caliphate.

If you are trying to say that it is because Islam teaches that the Quraysh are superior, I have already said that such notions are totally rejected in Islam in no uncertain terms:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white except by piety and good action."

But you will ignore clear hadiths like this one because you wish to keep on being disingenuous for some reason.

You need this link instead

 

[Abdisamadi]

Wow strange. What is a gaal Oromo doing amongst us? Shouldn’t you find your own people?

This a myth started by alchemist to cope with his lack of knowledge in the deen

 

[Abdisamad]

Lying? It’s you who’s lying to himself, I find it astounding a man who spends so much time reading about other cultures has the ability to believe such dissonance like what happend here.

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Stick to the haplogroups adeer, you aren’t ready to confront your beliefs so don’t even try.

So you think few buzzwords would make you sound smart and legit.. Your whole thread and arguing points reeks of ignorance and stupidity.. I don't even understand why the @The alchemist bothered responding to your stupid thread

 

[Angelina]

I don't want people to get you confused with me.. This is copyright violation

I’m not going to lie, I nearly was confused once. This poster was having deep talks about history or haplogroups can’t remember and then I was thinking hold up, since when does Abdisamad care about stuff like that?!

 

[Angelina]

This a myth started by alchemist to cope with his lack of knowledge in the deen

What are you? I’m getting the feeling you’re not Somali. Why would he randomly call you Oromo if you’re not one?

 

[DojaKhat]

This a myth started by alchemist to cope with his lack of knowledge in the deen

Stop coming for my husband, warya! You are not on his level! Keep my man's name outta your mouth!

 

[The alchemist]

Lying? It’s you who’s lying to himself, I find it astounding a man who spends so much time reading about other cultures has the ability to believe such dissonance like what happend here.

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Stick to the haplogroups adeer, you aren’t ready to confront your beliefs so don’t even try.

First of all, I am not your "bro." Keep that out, it makes me cringe.

I know about your ways. Consistently I have been right. I sniffed you out and exposed you trying to pass yourself as Somali. Loser. LMAO

 

[Abdisamad]

What are you? I’m getting the feeling you’re not Somali. Why would he randomly call you Oromo if you’re not one?

MA aha Somali ninkan, what Somali muslim posts such ignorance during Ramadan

 

[Angelina]

Stop coming for my husband, warya! You are not on his level! Keep my man's name outta your mouth!

LOOOOL. Has he claimed you as a wife

 

[Abdisamadi]

And when did this take place? I think you are bit lost here akhi, the point is that there is no evidence that the Prophet (SAWS) and the sahabah engaged in intercourse with pagans after this ayah was revealed.

If you want to refute this, show me an explicit statement from the ahaadith that this occured.

Where? Like I said, waad iska hadlaysaa lmao.

Because it is? This isn't me saying this, this is the explanation that the scholars gave. Historically, there were non-Qurayshi groups who held the caliphate.

If you are trying to say that it is because Islam teaches that the Quraysh are superior, I have already said that such notions are totally rejected in Islam in no uncertain terms:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white except by piety and good action."

But you will ignore clear hadiths like this one because you wish to keep on being disingenuous for some reason.


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Wallah you kept that ready till @Omar del Sur left

But anyway I don’t believe something that the prophet engaged in and endorsed could ever be Haram, especially since that came from the Quran in this verse as he was asking about that matter personally to Allah (swt)

About the Quraysh, this is another contradiction funnily enough that you bring it up. They are better than all mankind as said in this hadeeth and are promised the Khalifa

Believe what you want at this point bro, I’ve made my point

 

[Abdisamadi]

So you think few buzzwords would make you sound smart and legit.. Your whole thread and arguing points reeks of ignorance and stupidity.. I don't even understand why the @The alchemist bothered responding to your stupid thread

He shouldn’t have, wouldn’t have got done like this

 

[محمود فارح]

So the prophet got word from god that it was okay then changed his mind, makes sense

The Quraysh are said to be the best of mankind, when I show that you call it ‘descriptive’ when I show they have the rights over the caliphate you say it’s ‘practical’

You need this link instead

There is a difference among scholars. Some of them say that the Arab race is better than the Persian race, and some of them reject it, such as Ibn Baz and Uthman Al-Khamis. Even if that were true, it would not help you to say that Islam is “class” because superiority is only as a race and not as individuals. This means that superiority is due to piety. If a non-Arab is more pious than an Arab, he will be better, and vice versa, and both of them are better than the infidel Arab and the non-Arab.

Evidence from the Qur’an:قال الله جل وعلا: يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ [



There is the opinion of the venerable Sheikh Ibn Baz :

الحكم على أحاديث في فضل العرب

الجواب: هذه النصوص فيما علمنا كلها ضعيفة لا تخلو من مقال، وبعضها باطل وبعضها فيه ضعف، وقد

binbaz.org.sa

Also here is Sheikh Othman Al-Khamis:
You bring hadiths whose authenticity we do not know, but when we come from the Holy Qur’an you reject them, which is the decisive matter in this issue. You take what you want for your own deranged agenda.

 

[DojaKhat]

LOOOOL. Has he claimed you as a wife

@The alchemist well, do you?

 

[The alchemist]

@The alchemist well, do you?

Woah. I might be your adeers peer, walaal. You will find a good man, inshallah. Even better than me, hopefully.

You think too highly of me. Thank you.

 

[Abdisamadi]

First of all, I am not your "bro." Keep that out, it makes me cringe.

I know about your ways. Consistently I have been right. I sniffed you out and exposed you trying to pass yourself as Somali. Loser. LMAO

Wallah go to the Y DNA Haplogroup thread like I said before, you’re Islamic knowledge is iqra level

 

[Abdisamadi]

There is a difference among scholars, some of whom say that the Arab race is better than the non-Arab race. Focus, I said “race” and not the Avards, and you cannot infer that if it were true to say that Islam is “class” because in the end superiority is due to piety, and by that he means individuals, so if a non-Arab Muslim is more pious. Whoever is Arab will be superior and vice versa, and lineage does not play a role in that


Evidence from the Qur’an:قال الله جل وعلا: يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ [



There is the opinion of the venerable Sheikh Ibn Baz :

الحكم على أحاديث في فضل العرب

الجواب: هذه النصوص فيما علمنا كلها ضعيفة لا تخلو من مقال، وبعضها باطل وبعضها فيه ضعف، وقد

binbaz.org.sa

Also here is Sheikh Othman Al-Khamis:
You bring hadiths whose authenticity we do not know, but when we come from the Holy Qur’an you reject them, which is the decisive matter in this issue. You take what you want for your own deranged agenda.

Wallah this is like people who say the verse “ do not enforce religion” means no converting or laws are allowed, I’m suprised users like @Omar del Sur wouldn’t combat this opinion but whatever

I showed this hadeeth as a clear rebuttal against specific arguments, stop bringing this vague ‘We are the world’ stuff here

 

[The alchemist]

Wallah go to the Y DNA Haplogroup thread like I before, you’re Islamic knowledge is iqra level View attachment 320975

At least I can call the other Oromos my brothers since they're Muslims and can be here if they like as long as they behave. You're a murtad. What are you doing here? We have no connections.

 

[Abdisamadi]

At least I can call the other Oromos my brothers since they're Muslims and can be here if they like as long as they behave. You're a murtad. What are you doing here? We have no connections.

I doubt you’re Muslim, at least not for much longer. A guy who knows history claiming Islam brought quote “ruling and discourse against racialist prejudice which does not exist in Judaism or Christianity explicitly, nor any other system pertaining to the empire or ethical system of the time or before” is either a liar or not as smart as he thinks

 

[Omar del Sur]

I doubt you’re Muslim, at least not for much longer. A guy who knows history claiming Islam brought quote “ruling and discourse against racialist prejudice which does not exist in Judaism or Christianity explicitly, nor any other system pertaining to the empire or ethical system of the time or before” is either a liar or not as smart as he thinks

 

[Abdisamadi]

Other actual religious debaters I’m open to continuing this conversation, just try not to engage with the people trying to turn this into a mudfight, I won’t going forward