Do you think there will be one day a Revolution in Somalia?

Omar del Sur

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just like how revolution changed Syria, Yemen and Libya..... well the plus side of the destruction of Muslim countries is it does tend to make people more religious.... living in fear for your life does tend to make a person more religious... I want peace and safety for Muslims but if all the Muslim countries end up like Yemen then at least I can take comfort in knowing that the people will likely get more religious
 

Basra

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With a Revolution, we can drastically change our current situation.


No huuno. Revolution comes in a civilized orderly nation. Somalia is a jungle.
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I thought Somalia already had a revolution.

1969 revolution brought us Siad Barre while idiotic populous clapped for him. No thank you.



A revolution requires some form of public cohesion and existence of central government. Somalia is a federal country a revolution in one region would most likely apposed by another. There is simply high level of polarization and loyalty towards local Qabill orientated federal states. There is no way a grassroots revolution is going to prevail here. Especially with backward ignorant people like Somalis who view everything in Qabill lens.
 

Basra

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1969 revolution brought us Siad Barre while idiotic populous clapped for him. No thank you.



A revolution requires some form of public cohesion and existence of central government. Somalia is a federal country a revolution in one region would most likely apposed by another. There is simply high level of polarization and loyalty towards local Qabill orientated federal states. There is no way a grassroots revolution is going to prevail here. Especially with backward ignorant people like Somalis who view everything in Qabill lens.


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...... Your eloquence and this creature in your profile are not congruent. :)
 

Omar del Sur

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1969 revolution brought us Siad Barre while idiotic populous clapped for him. No thank you.



A revolution requires some form of public cohesion and existence of central government. Somalia is a federal country a revolution in one region would most likely apposed by another. There is simply high level of polarization and loyalty towards local Qabill orientated federal states. There is no way a grassroots revolution is going to prevail here. Especially with backward ignorant people like Somalis who view everything in Qabill lens.

didn't another revolution remove Siad Barre?

I don't think it's even really a problem with Somalis- I'm just against revolution in general.

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A revolution would happen if we stopped giving them remittances :patrice:

A Revolution would change drastically our lives.
Meaning for us that the past will be gone.

Somalis have gone through a lot of traumas.
We need a new doctrine to consistently keep us alive by moving, working, and finding.

Our country deserves a real revolution, from the people.
 

Omar del Sur

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my question
A Revolution would change drastically our lives.
Meaning for us that the past will be gone.

Somalis have gone through a lot of traumas.
We need a new doctrine to consistently keep us alive by moving, working, and finding.

Our country deserves a real revolution, from the people.

My question to you and to everyone who believes in revolution as an ideal is-

what are actual, historical examples of successful revolutions?
 
1969 revolution brought us Siad Barre while idiotic populous clapped for him. No thank you.



A revolution requires some form of public cohesion and existence of central government. Somalia is a federal country a revolution in one region would most likely apposed by another. There is simply high level of polarization and loyalty towards local Qabill orientated federal states. There is no way a grassroots revolution is going to prevail here. Especially with backward ignorant people like Somalis who view everything in Qabill lens.
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Omar del Sur

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MAO's Revolution.

The Cuban Revolution.

Those were Communist revolutions. I don't consider them a success for China or Cuba. I have zero desire to live under a Communist dictatorship, whether it's the Chinese model, the Cuban model or the HOAXDEMIC model.
 
Poor, starving illiterates don't make good revolutionaries. There isn't any issue that the citizens can take a unified stance on since every individual will put the interests of their respective clan over everything else, a revolution in which everyone is only seeking to improve their tribes political status would lead to a power vacuum which will eventually be filled by a regime similar to the one that was overthrown, or possibly even worse.
 

Samira

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Revolution is nothing more than the completion of an already on-going ascension of one class over another. There are no productive classes in Somalia; ergo, no revolution. There are clans with contradictory interests competing in ever harsher zero-sum games owing to the previously mentioned lack of production, which coincides with an inability to paper over contradictions via surplus redistribution. In such circumstances, there are merely crude conquests of a debilitated and sclerotic state infrastructure and the imposition of primitive means of accumulation (booli qaran/isbaaro etc.) I think the real question to ask is why did the roaming Somali nomad settle in a barren desert waste?
 
Too late for that. Average age of somalia is 16.7 years old and they’ve lived their entire life during the war so they don’t know when life was better. They’ve excepted their lifestyle :manny:
 

Omar del Sur

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Poor, starving illiterates don't make good revolutionaries. There isn't any issue that the citizens can take a unified stance on since every individual will put the interests of their respective clan over everything else, a revolution in which everyone is only seeking to improve their tribes political status would lead to a power vacuum which will eventually be filled by a regime similar to the one that was overthrown, or possibly even worse.

Poor, starving illiterates are ideal as far as the foot soldiers. The people who actually direct the revolution and potentially become Glorious Supreme Leader are middle or upper class educated types. The people who actually die on the battlefield en masse are poor, desperate types.
 

4head

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Poor, starving illiterates are ideal as far as the foot soldiers. The people who actually direct the revolution and potentially become Glorious Supreme Leader are middle or upper class educated types. The people who actually die on the battlefield en masse are poor, desperate types.


Revolution, most of the time, comes from an Intelligensia of people ( educated, young and wealthy people), and they absorb with their ideas (seduce, for a lesser degree), the lower classes.
The Young Turks made a Revolution that lasted; with them, Mostafa Kemal (who proclaimed the Turkish Republic in 1923).

But, you are right.
We can't have a proper communist revolution with tribalistic people.
Mao Zedong worked for over 50 decades to unify China, under one doctrine (of the New Man), and with those years came along sufferings of multiple civil wars, of political evictions (purges), of famines...
If we want a Revolution, we have to be sure that it'll work out and that it has to LAST.
The Iranian Revolution was a success, for example, as it still exists and it definitely changed Iran.

There are tons of reasons to take arms,
but as Somalis, we have to unify or die separated.
 

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