Do you think Siad barre during his last final years of life 1991-1995, heard about somaliland seceding Somalia, or was he too sick or old to know?

[Mz277]

Just want to know how he seen the destruction of Somalia during his last final years of life. I heard he died in Nigeria.

 

[Gadhwayne]

He saw the destruction of the Somali Republic because he destroyed state institutions he even ran away with the nation's gold reserves in the tank that he rode when USC was chasing him he remembers for the last few years of his presidency Muqdisho streets especially at night were controlled by youth gangs and what did he think would happen when local police no longer get paid because he ran way with the national reserves while Afweyne incited minorities communities of Muqdisho against the majority community/USC

 

[J-Z]

When Somaliland declared secession from Somalia, Mohamed Siyaad Barre said that ( waligood la ictiraafii maayo )

 

[anon2]

He saw the destruction of the Somali Republic because he destroyed state institutions he even ran away with the nation's gold reserves in the tank that he rode when USC was chasing him he remembers for the last few years of his presidency Muqdisho streets especially at night were controlled by youth gangs and what did he think would happen when local police no longer get paid because he ran way with the national reserves while Afweyne incited minorities communities of Muqdisho against the majority community/USC

why are you lying?

You have no shame but I can't except anything no less from a 2nd class citizen of Somali Englandia. Siyaad didn't destroy a single thing when he left Xamar. The USC started killing everyone and stealing peoples property the second they went into the city. They melted down infrastructure and several prominent nomads from Galmudug became overnight "millionaires". They melted down street lights and pipes from the sewer systems. No one "instigated" anything against the USC and no one told them start killing OGs then move on to killing all non-HAG citizens of Xamar. Right before Siyaad "fled" he offered the interim presidency to Umar Arteh Ghalib (an Issaq) but the USC stopped it from happening and all hell broke loose. This how you know they had no plan and were a group, just like the SNM who were funded by Mengistu

There was a still a police force and active military when Siyaad left. state institutions were still in tact. You are obsessed with Siyaad because you know he he ran a better government than your "JSL" ever well, hence why you still use the infrastructure he built for you. Your people especially were better off under Siyaad as Burco was one of the richest city in the Somali Republic during his reign. Your fellow "SNM" destroy all the factories Siyaad built for your in Burco. The fact that a lot of your "SNM" fighters live in regret for what they fought for is telling.



I guess you are so mentality buck-broken you have to try your best to make up lies instead of critiquing the actual issues. Go free your people and try to achieve something better than Siyaad did and built because we know these last 32+ years you haven't done anything except make a handful of individual richer.

 

[Prince of HS]

why are you lying?

You have no shame but I can't except anything no less from a 2nd class citizen of Somali Englandia. Siyaad didn't destroy a single thing when he left Xamar. The USC started killing everyone and stealing peoples property the second they went into the city. They melted down infrastructure and several prominent nomads from Galmudug became overnight "millionaires". They melted down street lights and pipes from the sewer systems. No one "instigated" anything against the USC and no one told them start killing OGs then move on to killing all non-HAG citizens of Xamar. Right before Siyaad "fled" he offered the interim presidency to Umar Arteh Ghalib (an Issaq) but the USC stopped it from happening and all hell broke loose. This how you know they had no plan and were a group, just like the SNM who were funded by Mengistu

There was a still a police force and active military when Siyaad left. state institutions were still in tact. You are obsessed with Siyaad because you know he he ran a better government than your "JSL" ever well, hence why you still use the infrastructure he built for you. Your people especially were better off under Siyaad as Burco was one of the richest city in the Somali Republic during his reign. Your fellow "SNM" destroy all the factories Siyaad built for your in Burco. The fact that a lot of your "SNM" fighters live in regret for what they fought for is telling.



I guess you are so mentality buck-broken you have to try your best to make up lies instead of critiquing the actual issues. Go free your people and try to achieve something better than Siyaad did and built because we know these last 32+ years you haven't done anything except make a handful of individual richer.

lies and fake darood propaganda. no darood civilan was targeted by USC. They just left the city before the USC milita came. Its funny how fake wadanis only criticise hawiye group/militas but never the darood ones. Remeber the saying it takes two to tango? Also are you going to blame hawiye for kismaayo and jl being a shithole as well?

 

[anon2]

lies and fake darood propaganda. no darood civilan was targeted by USC. They just left the city before the USC milita came. Its funny how fake wadanis only criticise hawiye group/militas but never the darood ones. Remeber the saying it takes two to tangle? Also are you going to blame hawiye for kismaayo and jl being a shithole as well?

How is this propaganda? Even foreigners know what happened and it's well documented, i.e. clan targeting, melting infrastructure to sell to Kenya etc . I am blaming USC, they had no plan for what do after. You really want us to believe you didn't kill any Darood civilians and target them? Like I said I am blaming the USC because it wasn't just Hawyie, it was a group which targeted other Hawyie too. The fact that you jumped to clans means you were trigged.

Also, what I said has nothing to do would JL, why would I blame Hawyie for JL? JL is a inter-Darood Issue that both OG"s and MX caused.

I'm not even a Kacaanist like I've stated previously multiple times but you can't keep spreading lies and blaming a dead man for what you all did. By all I include "Daroods" too.

 

[Prince of HS]

How is this propaganda? Even foreigners know what happened and it's well documented, i.e. clan targeting, melting infrastructure to sell to Kenya etc . I am blaming USC, they had no plan for what do after. You really want us to believe you didn't kill any Darood civilians and target them? Like I said I am blaming the USC because it wasn't just Hawyie, it was a group which targeted other Hawyie too. The fact that you jumped to clans means you were trigged.

Also, what I said has nothing to do would JL, why would I blame Hawyie for JL? JL is a inter-Darood Issue that both OG"s and MX caused.

I'm not even a Kacaanist like I've stated previously multiple times but you can't keep spreading lies and blaming a dead man for what you all did. By all I include "Daroods" too.

same way kismaayo was a inter darood problem mogadishu was an inter hawiye problem. only difference is xamar is the capital so it has more of an effect than shitty kismaayo which is still ongoing. Xamar clan beef ended 2006 but jl daroods and gaalkacyo mj beef with sacad are still at it. what your not going to do is act like daroods are innocent angels. your hands are just as dirty with all the isaaqs you killed. 200k+ isaaqs killed. did USC even kill 1k daroods? wallahi i doubt they even killed 100 and that is probably civlilan casualties between USC manifesto and red berets terrorists trying to fight native Abgaal and mursade in xamar. take your propaganda else where. you wont guilt trip me or any other hawiye here

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

same way kismaayo was a inter darood problem mogadishu was an inter hawiye problem. only difference is xamar is the capital so it has more of an effect than shitty kismaayo which is still ongoing. Xamar clan beef ended 2006 but jl daroods are still at it. what your not going to do is act like daroods are innocent angels. your hands are just as dirty with all the isaaqs you killed. 200k+ isaaqs killed. did USC even kill 1k daroods? wallahi i doubt they even killed 100 and that is probably civlilan casualties between USC manifesto and red berets terrorists trying to fight native Abgaal and mursade in xamar. take your propaganda else where. you wont guilt trip me or any other hawiye here

You're saying rebels never killed civilians I know an oday that lost 3 of his siblings, own up to xasuuqs. Yes Daroods civilians were innocent.


Horta why is it bad for us to say that we were xasuuqed which is facts.

 

[Prince of HS]

You're saying rebels never killed civilians I know an oday that lost 3 of his siblings, own up to xasuuqs. Yes Daroods civilians were innocent.


Horta why is it bad for us to say that we were xasuuqed which is facts.

If you want to know what xasuuq is, look at what you did to isaaqs. 200k of them you killed. in fact i know a HA odey who lost 6 kids due to kacaan bombs. when i ask of age hawiye people of any xasuuq in xamar, they say it is Darood propaganda that they told to the UN in order to claim asylum/refugee status which i agree it is.

 

[Prince of HS]

My clan weren't part of MOD nice try though

by clan i mean darood. this is a darood v hawiye no?

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

by clan i mean darood. this is a darood v hawiye no?

Nigga f*ck Darood we wasn't eating, infact Irir been eating more than 80% of daroods

 

[anon2]

same way kismaayo was a inter darood problem mogadishu was an inter hawiye problem. only difference is xamar is the capital so it has more of an effect than shitty kismaayo which is still ongoing. Xamar clan beef ended 2006 but jl daroods are still at it. what your not going to do is act like daroods are innocent angels. your hands are just as dirty with all the isaaqs you killed. 200k+ isaaqs killed. did USC even kill 1k daroods? wallahi i doubt they even killed 100 and that is probably civlilan casualties between USC manifesto and red berets terrorists trying to fight native Abgaal and mursade in xamar. take your propaganda else where. you wont guilt trip me or any other hawiye here

It's no propaganda, if it was why would third parties such Western media report about the chaos? you are overly emotional and won't accept the truth, which is why you randomly brought up JL as a false equivalent.

I never stated Daroods were innocent, you are back to bringing up qabil, Issaqs didn't lose "200K" that number is overestimated. No one is proud of the bombing of Hargesia either way and it wasn't just "Daroods" who attacked Issaqs, it was the SNA which had multiple clans in it. It was a government bombing what they called "terrorists" because the SNM were terrorists at the time. They became "heroes" after that bombing.

By the way the USC was align with Daroods (SPM) who killed other Daroods. There are so many factors to everything that happened but you can't accept it. When you can come up with a government that's even 5% as competent as the one we used to have then talk to me. I say this as someone who didn't directly benefit from Siyaad's government but was able to at least have a free education, free healthcare, a full stomach and respected country that was developing quickly and produce many things locally. A strong government is all we want but we can't have that if you don't analyze the past

 

[Garaad.XIV]

It's no propaganda, if it was why would third parties such Western media report about the chaos? you are overly emotional and won't accept the truth, which is why you randomly brought up JL as a false equivalent.

I never stated Daroods were innocent, you are back to bringing up qabil, Issaqs didn't lose "200K" that number is overestimated. No one is proud of the bombing of Hargesia either way and it wasn't just "Daroods" who attacked Issaqs, it was the SNA which had multiple clans in it. It was a government bombing what they called "terrorists" because the SNM were terrorists at the time. They became "heroes" after that bombing.

By the way the USC was align with Daroods (SPM) who killed other Daroods. There are so many factors to everything that happened but you can't accept it. When you can come up with a government that's even 5% as competent as the one we used to have then talk to me. I say this as someone who didn't directly benefit from Siyaad's government but was able to at least have a free education, free healthcare, a full stomach and respected country that was developing quickly and produce many things locally. A strong government is all we want but we can't have that if you don't analyze the past

Literally everything you just spewed is pure propaganda.

SL, PL and even Xamar is doing way better then during the Kacaan. Literally everything build by the Kacaan was with Soviet or Western aid.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Literally everything you just spewed is pure propaganda.

SL, PL and even Xamar is doing way better then during the Kacaan. Literally everything build by the Kacaan was with Soviet or Western aid.

Yet with only millions in soviet aid he built a country better than the billions invested today.
If you didn't know USSR aid was 75% millitary.

I hate when people downplay Siyaad's acheivements.

 

[Somali Saayid]

He saw the destruction of the Somali Republic because he destroyed state institutions he even ran away with the nation's gold reserves in the tank that he rode when USC was chasing him he remembers for the last few years of his presidency Muqdisho streets especially at night were controlled by youth gangs and what did he think would happen when local police no longer get paid because he ran way with the national reserves while Afweyne incited minorities communities of Muqdisho against the majority community/USC

Alx he took it, imagine the weapons mooryan would buy to kill each other.

 

[anon2]

Literally everything you just spewed is pure propaganda.

SL, PL and even Xamar is doing way better then during the Kacaan. Literally everything build by the Kacaan was with Soviet or Western aid.

It's not propaganda, Xamar is slowly improving I agree as for other places only PL and Hargesia are doing sliglty better than they were doing years. Rest are nothing but stagnant third world tier. I already post a thread with proof. If you are going to be emotional at least come up with proof to refute what I am saying. When US and Western people went to Somalia they agree the Somali Gov was lying to get AID to buy weapons because of how efficient the country ran. It was better than most SSA countries while being sanctioned. Open you eyes and stop being emotional, you still use the SAME roads the Kacaan built you in Hargesia, Berbera and Burco

I am not giving these achievements to Siyaad I am giving them to the entire Somali people who built this country from 1969-1991. Every contributed

@DR OSMAN a lot of statistics like GDP, esp. in Africa cannot be trusted for around the time period but in this case let's say it was true. Jon Snow and other Europeans who visited Somalia at the time can attest it was better off than other in SSA, which made them believe the Somali Gov at the time was defrauding the intl. community. I have a feeling the old government lied to Westerns inorder to get more aid, which is understandable. The current GDP is nothing to brag out. There is no manufacturing, there are no locally made products made. Majority of whatever is left that contributes to todays "Somali" economy is livestock export from PL. I will compare some things of todays "Somalia" with Siyaad's Somali Republic.

1. Somalia's current GDP is 79-80% foreign aid and remittance. Here is proof. Thank you @Thegoodshepherd for sharing this. Even with the cheap Chinese and western imports model, no is really making money. It's still all mostly foreign aid and remittance.
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source: https://pubdocs.worldbank.org/en/752311492188170790/mpo-som.pdf

2. Somalia under Siyaad was able to avoid the largest famine and drought in the HoA - in 1974-76 MILLIONS of Ethiopians died while Somalis were evacuated and saved. There was also a mass effort to fight desertification that worked when even westerners said it was an impossible task

3. Somalia's economy was semi-planned and allowed for capitalism and trade. Land was never taken from people, livestock was not taken from people, it was the contrary, these things were subsides and encouraged to help increase production and led to more taxes being collected. Only things such as the country's resources were partly state-owned. According to this Somalia was 44 instead of 8, putting above Ethiopia, Nigeria and many others at the time. This system was not "socialism" or "communism" as people like to believe it. It was something close to the Chinese system of today, a mixed bag where a party rules by force but is efficient. It was align and conform or be destroyed. An iron fist rule that prioritize state's well being over others. This is one of the reasons I am not fond of his rule.

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https://countrystudies.us/somalia/64.htm

4. Again here is another example of adjusting for inflation, we were way better off in port use and management. For example Siyaad gave a 10 year lease of partial use of a the port that was built in Berbera. The lease was for the American military, in which each year the paid a substantial amount of money. The port itself was sold for a measly $120 million for 30 years by Siylano and the FGS to the UAE in 2014, now for comparison, like I said we adjust for inflation, the port was making $100 million ALONE from American military use, if we add regular import/export/docking etc for businesses that would add another 40-50 million a year. After delcaring their ""independence"..why didn't Issaqs use the port in 30 years and have it contribute to their economy like Siyaad did??? They waited nearly 30 years to just sell it to the UAE for pennies. This is mind blowing
I talked about it in this thread and did the math in the post below ↓


5. POVERTY was lower than all other SSA African countries. This is what Siyaads game plan was, it was to turn Somalia into a food producing nation capable of feeding itself and becoming an export in food. It was initially working from my understanding.
View attachment 253609source: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/29136514.pdf

 

[reer]

It's no propaganda, if it was why would third parties such Western media report about the chaos? you are overly emotional and won't accept the truth, which is why you randomly brought up JL as a false equivalent.

I never stated Daroods were innocent, you are back to bringing up qabil, Issaqs didn't lose "200K" that number is overestimated. No one is proud of the bombing of Hargesia either way and it wasn't just "Daroods" who attacked Issaqs, it was the SNA which had multiple clans in it. It was a government bombing what they called "terrorists" because the SNM were terrorists at the time. They became "heroes" after that bombing.

By the way the USC was align with Daroods (SPM) who killed other Daroods. There are so many factors to everything that happened but you can't accept it. When you can come up with a government that's even 5% as competent as the one we used to have then talk to me. I say this as someone who didn't directly benefit from Siyaad's government but was able to at least have a free education, free healthcare, a full stomach and respected country that was developing quickly and produce many things locally. A strong government is all we want but we can't have that if you don't analyze the past

usc attacked abudwaq and balanbale (two cities settled by marehan) in 1991 despite being 1000 km away from kismayo. you tell me why. lol.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

lies and fake darood propaganda. no darood civilan was targeted by USC. They just left the city before the USC milita came. Its funny how fake wadanis only criticise hawiye group/militas but never the darood ones. Remeber the saying it takes two to tango? Also are you going to blame hawiye for kismaayo and jl being a shithole as well?

USC killed my adeers in Xamar. And as a Darood I can say SSDF commuted treason in Galdogob and Cabudwaaq. You my friend are a tribalist with an inferiority complex.

 

[Prince of HS]

USC killed my adeers in Xamar. And as a Darood I can say SSDF commuted treason in Galdogob and Cabudwaaq. You my friend are a tribalist with an inferiority complex.

Tell me about my inferiority complex. I want to hear all about it

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Tell me about my inferiority complex. I want to hear all about it

I don’t need to tell you. You show it. I can call out Darold’s wrongs but you won’t do the same for Hawiye because you believe that’s degrading your qabiil from what I seen. I will apologize if you have the guts to call out your warlords like I have.