Do you see Palestine being free in your lifetime?

[Tewahedo]

Jews are ethnoreligous and these are Mizrachi Jews.

They were Jews whom intermarried with the Arabs/Persians.

The Samaritans might be though

I'm strictly talking based on the genetic datas we have and btw why do you have a picture of Polisario ?

 

[Octavian]

Nope nobody off significance wants it to happened

 

[Invader]

I'm strictly talking based on the genetic datas we have and btw why do you have a picture of Polisario ?

Show me the data.


I support the occupied peoples

You can't let another people rule your own.


Arab-Berbers ruling Sahwari land is wrong.

 

[Invader]

If the Jews touch Al-Aqsa to build a third temple they're declaring war against ALL Muslim nations.

Even the people who bootyclap America.

 

[Tewahedo]

Show me the data.


I support the occupied peoples

You can't let another people rule your own.


Arab-Berbers ruling Sahwari land is wrong.

and why do you say "occupied" while the border between morocco and western sahara was made by europeans to separate the spanish possessions from the french one.

here a map of Morocco before the french protectorate :

Western sahara never existed before so there is no occupation here

 

[Invader]

and why do you say "occupied" while the border between morocco and western sahara was made by europeans to separate the spanish possessions from the french one.

here a map of Morocco before the french protectorate :
View attachment 125216

Western sahara never existed before so there is no occupation here

So the people living on that land has no right to control it and have to live under oppression.

Colonialism cut the natives in half because they were Bedouins and eventually became city dwellers.


The Moroccans are claiming lands which was controlled by a dead kingdom

 

[Tewahedo]

So the people living on that land has no right to control it and have to live under oppression.

Colonialism cut the natives in half because they were Bedouins and eventually became city dwellers.


The Moroccans are claiming lands which was controlled by a dead kingdom

wait whut ?

The people living on that land are similar to other moroccans so yes moroccans have the right to decide about Moroccan lands. And They are not claiming lands of a dead kingdom simply because this kingdom is still "alive" (same dynasty and that's why moroccan monarchy is one of the oldest in the world : https://www.oldest.org/politics/monarchy/ )

It was a french protectorate which means they still recognized the moroccan monarchy and didn't erase it.

 

[Invader]

wait whut ?

The people living on that land are similar to other moroccans so yes moroccans have the right to decide about Moroccan lands. And They are not claiming lands of a dead kingdom simply because this kingdom is still "alive" (same dynasty and that's why moroccan monarchy is one of the oldest in the world : https://www.oldest.org/politics/monarchy/ )

It was a french protectorate which means they still recognized the moroccan monarchy and didn't erase it.

The people who are Sahwari are not like the Arab-Berbers

The Sahwari speak Hassaniya Arabic and have different admixtures compared to the Northerners.

So basically you're using the straw-man argument to win this debate in your favour

For e.g. If an Afar came to your house and said he used to own it and he had the right to live there and took it over


The people only want it to exploit resources for their own benefit.

Almohad (dead kingdom)

Marinid (dead kingdom)

Wattasid
The light pink is vassal state so not technically part of Morocco (dead kingdom)

Saadi (dead kingdom)

How are the people there Moroccans if the native people are Sahwari and suffer oppresion from the Secret Police and the Berber settlers.

 

[Tewahedo]

The people who are Sahwari are not like the Arab-Berbers

The Sahwari speak Hassaniya Arabic and have different admixtures compared to the Northerners.

So basically you're using the straw-man argument to win this debate in your favour

For e.g. If an Afar came to your house and said he used to own it and he had the right to live there and took it over


The people only want it to exploit resources for their own benefit.


Almohad (dead kingdom)

Marinid (dead kingdom)



Wattasid
The light pink is vassal state so not technically part of Morocco (dead kingdom)



Saadi (dead kingdom)

How are the people there Moroccans if the native people are Sahwari and suffer oppresion from the Secret Police and the Berber settlers.

that's like saying atlas people are not moroccans because they speak chleuh

and genetically they are similar to other moroccans.

also you posted only "dead" dynasties but the current one is the alawite dynasty and that was their territory before the french protectorate :

and this dynasty still rules morocco today.

 

[Invader]

Furthermore, @Dawalhabaad you saying that the people of Morocco have the right to take over the land is saying they have the right to annex Mali,Mauritania,Tunisia,Algeria and Libya even though their own people don't originate there.

Funny how that's colonial if they're taking over people's lands and exploiting them.

 

[Juke]

Never will be

 

[Tewahedo]

Furthermore, @Dawalhabaad you saying that the people of Morocco have the right to take over the land is saying they have the right to annex Mali,Mauritania,Tunisia,Algeria and Libya even though their own people don't originate there.

Funny how that's colonial if they're taking over people's lands and exploiting them.

They have the right to claim mauritania, northern mali and a good part of western algeria simply because it belonged to the alawite dynasty. The same dynasty that rules Morocco today.

 

[Invader]

They have the right to claim mauritania, northern mali and a good part of western algeria simply because it belonged to the alawite dynasty. The same dynasty that rules Morocco today.

Would the same people be happy though.

Why are you backing an oppressive regime.

Would an Algerian support it?

Morocco abuse the indigenous people of Western Sahara if they speak up.

 

[Invader]

that's like saying atlas people are not moroccans because they speak chleuh

and genetically they are similar to other moroccans.

also you posted only "dead" dynasties but the current one is the alawite dynasty and that was their territory before the french protectorate :

View attachment 125243

and this dynasty still rules morocco today.

You know that the green is the Ottoman Empire though

 

[Tewahedo]

Would the same people be happy though.

Why are you backing an oppressive regime.

Would an Algerian support it?

Morocco abuse the indigenous people of Western Sahara if they speak up.

What you don't understand is that those conflicts are the direct consequences of european colonialism and you're supporting the way they divided Africa.

 

[Tewahedo]

You know that the green is the Ottoman Empire though

what does this have to do with Morocco ?

 

[Invader]

What you don't understand is that those conflicts are the direct consequences of european colonialism and you're supporting the way they divided Africa.

So you agree with the concept of colonialism though.

Exploitation and Invasion.

 

[Invader]

what does this have to do with Morocco ?

Algeria wasn't part of the Alawites.

 

[Tewahedo]

So you agree with the concept of colonialism though.

Exploitation and Invasion.

So taking back your territories stolen by europeans is exploitation and invasion ?

 

[Invader]

Exploitation for their own benefits not the colony = Phosphate and Fish of Western Sahara.
Invasion= The Green March and the constant oppression of the people there.