Do you believe in evolution?

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  1. Schematics

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    Well, accordingly, both rely on gene mutation. Same process apply to them according to evolutionary biologists. Proving that is hard. Faith is what remains in the proposal and if you veer off, you are not a scientist.
     
  2. Eisenstein

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    This is simply false! Evolution can be observed in the lab. This is basic stuff that students learn early in their studies. Google Nylon-eating bacteria. It has been known for a very long time now.
     
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    I personally don’t believe in evolution, but what can I say? God works in mysterious ways :manny:
     
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    The ability for the bacteria to digest parts of a nylon molecule in the waste pond existed within the Bacteria though. According to the wiki article, this ability was Gene mutation. This means the genetic ability was there already to meet the needs for the Bacteria so it survives in that particular waste water contaminated with nylon product. If the creator created this tiny creature that lives, providing it with it's ability to adopt to it's environment without itself changing form, it is not out of the norm. Placing a code that replicates itself and adopts to a need supported by the entire system is not going to be difficult proposition for Knowing God who created bigger bodies like the Universe.
     
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    You're the most beautiful ape I've ever seen. I'm a gorilla in a coupe, do you want to pull up to the zoo?
     
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    Why cant we just accept that the universe has a creator it wouldnt make sense if we evolved from animals.Aask yourself where did the animal originally come from and so on. The answer will be in continous loop with no definite answer. The only answer with a closure is that God created everything
     
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    That is one rationale among many to believe in a creator.

    People are looking for answers all the time, it is human nature to be curious.
     
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    WHAT!!? There was bacteria that could do this before nylon was invented!? Ffs! :O27GWRK:
    This doesn't make any sense whatsoever
    And this don't make sense either.


    I separated these three sentences because they don't make sense together either... at all!

    My guess is that you're attempting to paraphrase something from a creationist website? :icon lol:

    I'm not commentating the goddidit parts because we're not debating about God/religion.
     
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  9. Eisenstein

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    That's nonsense. I could have an explanation as to how life changes over time after it started existing and not know how it started to exist at all. There's nothing difficult about that. Say you have a road from A to D going through B and C. I could know the part of the road between B and C. For what I've to qualify as knowledge, I'm not obliged to know that it in fact starts from A, for example. To say so makes zero sense.
     
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    The bacteria type existed prior to the waste water it lived on right? Then scientists found out it had the ability to digest and process certain nylon molecules. What was the explanation? Gene mutation present in the Bacteria. It is general rule that Bacteria adapts because it has the ability. Nothing new. The bacteria did not turn into a new Bacteria but has shown the ability to digest certain molecules. It is a process that can be repeated with the introduction of similar Bacteria type and over time they will develop the same ability due to genetic code already present in their DNA. That is all I got from this experiment.


    I have read many websites both pro and anti evolutionary biology. I also have books that are digital and hard copy along those opposing views.
     
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    It is like saying the HIV virus is evidence for evolutionary biology even though the Virus itself has the ability to fool the immune system by using/replicating the same cells the human body uses to fight diseases. A smart way for the Virus to present itself as friend of the immune system only to attack it and kill it. . When people studied the AIDS virus, they had to figure out a way to stop it from replicating those defensive cells. That is how the antiretroviral drugs came into being. They stop the HIV virus from replicating and presenting itself to the human immune system as friends of it.

    So, does the virus have a brain? In attacking the body and presenting itself as such to fool another living cells, what does evolution has got to do with it? The virus comes as it is and acts without intelligence on cue from its need to survive. All this happens because of how the Virus itself is built. Pre-programmed to live that way.

    The same process is how Bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics. Solution is to not overuse the antibiotics and doctors avoid prescribing them as they used to. Bacteria is waiting to adopt. Cause they can do it. And once they can resist what used to kill them, they are the same Bacteria with new ability learned through living the experience.

    Funny how some engineers write self replicating codes to destroy networks and companies. Ironic.
     
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    You would run into a corner with this. If you can explain the process of change in living beings, you would still be relying on the fundamental building blocks of the Original. There is more in some and less in others in terms of Genes and their functions but all living beings share the same similar building blocks from which they are constructed. You are back to square one again.

    Why do you think people use rats in medical tests to develop medicine or study some medical issue? You may have guessed the answer: Rats share 90% DNA with humans. The difference is 10%. You could say Mice is your relative saxib. This scientific fact won't give satisfactory answer to the question you are avoiding.

    You can explain the make-up of living beings. But you also need to create a rational narrative that explained why we are only 10% different from our friend Mice and still look nothing like a Mice. Who and how for this relations and differences to exist is one you can never explain without Islam
     
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    Whim

    For the sake of argument, if u believe in Evolution, how did the first 'living thing' came to being before the onset of evolution from ape to man? How did that drop of living life begin? Can evolutionist explain that?


    God has already explain that he created Adam and Eve, so there is no need for mystery of humans are here.
     
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  14. Whimsical fanatic

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    I do believe that God created Adam and Eve. But I just wanted to discuss a topic that Islam is very much opposing on while the there is so much evidence on evolution being true.
     
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    And then what happened?

    Adam and Eve’s children engaged in an incestuous relationship and married one another to populate the world, then God found out that he made a big mistake and incest suddenly became morally reprehensible and he banned it and made it a sin punishable by hell. If he’s capable of creating everything and is all knowing, wasn’t it better if he created a group of people and foresaw the moral conundrum that incest would create and thus saved him not to make these mistakes? Or was the whole creationism theory and the success of God’s power based on trial and error?

    creationism and evolution are both theories, one is written by theologians and concluded that god created everything and the other is not satisfied with this simplistic answer because of the lack of any observable evidence and the scientific discrepancies on the theory and sought their own answers. They have established the scientific basics for their theory and are searching for further evidences. Scientific discoveries in the past have improved to shed a viable understanding to their theory and the recent and future discoveries would further improve their arguments because it would have negative ramifications for religion. Then, would science obtain an objective and observable knowledge purely built on scientific results about how the world was created? From a subjective layman’s viewpoint, I highly doubt it, but the scientific jury disagrees with me and are out to prove me wrong because I lack their credentials to accurately predict it.
     
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    If you believe in evolution you will also have to believe that different human races exist to the lefty evolution believers here.
     
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    Doesn’t everybody believe different races exist? We just don’t believe any are superior/inferior.
     
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    Lots of left-wingers even deny the existence of different human races.
     
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    The statement "it is general rule that Bacteria adapts because it has the ability" doesn't make sense - ability to what? Adapt? That's tautological, also you don't accept evolution remember. Bacteria can tolerate harsh conditions and has the ability to digest myriad of things that occur naturally, nylon isn't one of those things as the bacteria would not have the necessary enzymes to digest it because it's synthetic.

    Secondly, when you say "... similar Bacteria type they will develop the same ability due to genetic code already present in their DNA" if you mean, all things being equal, e.g. given the same mutation, same conditions etc, then yes. Mutation plus natural selection will again result in in nylon-eating species. This how evolution works! You're weird.

    There are many other similar experiments around. The following one was going on for over three decades now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

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    Does this guy make sense to anyone? :icon lol:

    You're so incoherent that none of that makes sense. Evolution isn't about how non-living matter started to turned biological matter. The rest is pure gibberish as well. Please write clear arguments and objections if you want people to give you meaningful replies.
     
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    Research indicates that the concept of “five races” does, to an extent, describe the way human populations are distributed among the continents—but the lines between races are much more blurred than ancestry testing companies would have us believe (Figure 1B).

    "What the genetics shows is that mixture and displacement have happened again and again and that our pictures of past ‘racial structures’ are almost always wrong, says David Reich, a Harvard University paleogeneticist whose new book on the subject is called Who We Are and How We Got Here. There are no fixed traits associated with specific geographic locations, Reich says, because as often as isolation has created differences among populations, migration and mixing have blurred or erased them.

    A landmark 2002 study by Stanford scientists examined the question of human diversity by looking at the distribution across seven major geographical regions of 4,000 alleles. Alleles are the different “flavors” of a gene. For instance, all humans have the same genes that code for hair: the different alleles are why hair comes in all types of colors and textures.

    In the Stanford study, over 92% of alleles were found in two or more regions, and almost half of the alleles studied were present in all seven major geographical regions. The observation that the vast majority of the alleles were shared over multiple regions, or even throughout the entire world, points to the fundamental similarity of all people around the world—an idea that has been supported by many other studies.

    If separate racial or ethnic groups actually existed, we would expect to find “trademark” alleles and other genetic features that are characteristic of a single group but not present in any others. However, the 2002 Stanford study found that only 7.4% of over 4000 alleles were specific to one geographical region. Furthermore, even when region-specific alleles did appear, they only occurred in about 1% of the people from that region—hardly enough to be any kind of trademark. Thus, there is no evidence that the groups we commonly call “races” have distinct, unifying genetic identities. In fact, there is ample variation within races."

    Ultimately, there is so much ambiguity between the races, and so much variation within them, that two people of European descent may be more genetically similar to an Asian person than they are to each other.

    There are no fixed traits associated with specific geographic locations because as often as isolation has created differences among populations, migration and mixing have blurred or erased them.

    I've noticed that people who spread this race thing always fail to specify how many races they believe exist and what those might be. This social construct, in my opinion, ignores the blurred biological divisions between different types of groups spread across the world. It's very hard to enumerate the biological divisions, just like the colors on a spectrum, or at which point does it get cold or warm in the temperature.

    There is no scientific evidence that links different races to intelligence. It might exist, but we do not have the evidence for it at the moment, and would rather not waste my time talking about it.
     
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