Do Somali Americans actually eat non halal meat?

[Keep it a boqol]

majority of christians do not fulfill the shafici madhab requirements. in todays world the shafici madhab is the actually strictest in marrying christians and eating christian meat.

Ahl al-Kitab and Their Meat - IslamQA

Question: As-Salamu-Alikum, The Quran says that one can eat from the People of the Book (Christian and Jew). I would like to know if there is any condition that must be fulfilled for someone to be

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Shafii Position on Meat of People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab) in the West -

Answered by Shaykh Hamza Karamali, SunniPath Academy Teacher Could you please explain to me the position of the Shafi'i madhhab on eating the meat of those who call themselves Christians, in the

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I agree but i’m going to assume this phenomenon that we see is spill over when somalis came in the 90s imo

 

[MacrobianTeera]

In the UK eating non halal meat is a massive big deal which is understandable if your a practicing muslim since halal food can be found everywhere but in America I heard it's different. I heard yall just eat non halal meat. Can't say it's true that's why I need confirmation. I want to know from reer MN, seattle and Colombus since these placed have large somali population so it wouldn't make sense if people eat non halal meat no offence.

Yeah its true my cousins done in Minnesota don’t eat halal lmao

 

[reer]

A country is who it is founded by, and America was founded by ḥunafā unititarians like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, America did not become trinitarian annd Christian until the 1830’s.

they dont count.

[1] The Shafi`is stipulate that the Christian whose slaughtered meat is permissible to eat is someone who has an uninterrupted Christian lineage all the way back to pre-Islamic times. If the Christian is of non-Israelite descent, then this needs to be positively established (virtually impossible in our times). If the Christian is of Israelite descent, then the conditions are less stringent.

https://islamqa.org/shafii/qibla-sh...-people-of-the-book-ahl-al-kitab-in-the-west/

Some Christian peoples entered Christianity late; for example, the Saxons in 804 or Lithuania in 1387. Entering Christianity so late is after naskh; and therefore, problematic. Hence, it would depend on which Christians or Jews one is asking about…

https://islamqa.org/shafii/shafiifiqh/30168/ahl-al-kitab-and-their-meat/

 

[reggie]

I’m not a sheikh, don’t take advice from me

I’m joking don’t eat non-halal meat it has to be slaughtered correctly in Islam before you eat it don’t be giving out haram advice on here to justify eating chic fil a

 

[Kalsoon]

I started to almost 10 years ago after someone spoke with me and helped me understand. It made me be more aware and self accountable for the food I consume. How do people expect their supplications to be accepted if they don't actually eat cunto thabiixa eh.

Think there is some misunderstanding for some of the people. We all know deep down kuwa masiixi sheegto aren't practicing their religious traditions as closely as Muslims.

 

[truenature]

i get my meat from the halal bc the meat at grocery stores are absolutely disgusting. It always smells terrible and is full of growth hormones. But for fast food/restaurants, everybody eats non halal. I even saw a sheikh posted up at McDonald’s.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Many Somalis go to the all you can eat Chinese buffet or fusion spots, especially during Eid. They dont even eat "Christian" meat.

 

[Shayla]

It says in the Quran any meat served by Christian or Jew is fine and permissible to eat for Muslims.

Muslim Americans aren't doing anything haram.

 

[Jam]

It says in the Quran any meat served by Christian or Jew is fine and permissible to eat for Muslims.

Muslim Americans aren't doing anything haram.

Yea because McDonald’s and Chinese restaurants in secular countries are very obviously Christian

waa ahlul-kitaab clearly

 

[cunug3aad]

It says in the Quran any meat served by Christian or Jew is fine and permissible to eat for Muslims.

Muslim Americans aren't doing anything haram.

Tafsiir of the ayah

﴾وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ﴿
(The food of the People of the Scripture is lawful to you..) meaning, their slaughtered animals, as Ibn `Abbas, Abu Umamah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, `Ata', Al-Hasan, Makhul, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, As-Suddi and Muqatil bin Hayyan stated. This ruling, that the slaughtered animals of the People of the Book are permissible for Muslims, is agreed on by the scholars, because the People of the Book believe that slaughtering for other than Allah is prohibited. They mention Allah's Name upon slaughtering their animals, even though they have deviant beliefs about Allah that do not befit His majesty. It is recorded in the Sahih that `Abdullah bin Mughaffal said, "While we were attacking the fort of Khaybar, a person threw a leather bag containing fat, and I ran to take it and said, `I will not give anyone anything from this container today.' But when I turned I saw the Prophet (standing behind) while smiling." The scholars rely on this Hadith as evidence that we are allowed to eat what we need of foods from the booty before it is divided. The scholars of the Hanafi, the Shafi`i and the Hanbali Madhhabs rely on this Hadith to allow eating parts of the slaughtered animals of the Jews that they prohibit for themselves, such as the fat. They used this Hadith as evidence against the scholars of the Maliki Madhhab who disagreed with this ruling. A better proof is the Hadith recorded in the Sahih that the people of Khaybar gave the Prophet a gift of a roasted leg of sheep, which they poisoned. The Prophet used to like eating the leg of the sheep and he took a bite from it, but it told the Prophet that it was poisoned, so he discarded that bite. The bite that the Prophet took effected the palate of his mouth, while Bishr bin Al-Bara' bin Ma`rur died from eating from that sheep. The Prophet had the Jewish woman, Zaynab, who poisoned the sheep, killed. Therefore, the Prophet and his Companions wanted to eat from that sheep and did not ask the Jews if they removed what the Jews believed was prohibited for them, such as its fat.

The additional condition is that they slaughter it in the manner of the muslims like cutting the neck because otherwise it is bakhti and we cant eat it. Now if we didnt know whether or not they done slaughter appropriately and it is too much work to find this out or you are unable to or we were unknowleadgeable in diin then we just say bisinka and eat because anything further is pointless, being "obstinate in diin"

Shaykh Ibn `Uthaymin (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“It is not essential to ask about what was slaughtered by a Muslim or a person from the people of the Book, and how it was slaughtered, and whether the name of Allah was mentioned over it or not. Rather that should not be done, because that is being obstinate in religious matters. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ate meat slaughtered by the Jews and did not ask questions.

In Al-Bukhari and elsewhere it is narrated from `Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that some people said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): Some people bring meat to us, and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allah over it or not. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Mention the name of Allah over it and eat.” She said: They were new in Islam, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told them to eat without asking, even though those who brought the meat to them may not have been aware of the rulings of Islam because they were new in Islam.” (Risalah fi Ahkam Al-Udhiyah wal-Dhakah by Shaykh Ibn `Uthaymin (may Allah have mercy on him))

However it is pretty well known that the western world stuns its animals. Googling 10 seconds mcdonalds says they stun all their animals for slaughter so now that i know that i cant knowingly go into mcdonalds and eat a big mac. And if were being real they are not even doing bisinka over the stunning

 

[soulmates]

Yesssss. My family and I love a good burger/sandwich from chick-fila and in-n-out

 

[Shayla]

Tafsiir of the ayah

The additional condition is that they slaughter it in the manner of the muslims like cutting the neck because otherwise it is bakhti and we cant eat it. Now if we didnt know whether or not they done slaughter appropriately and it is too much work to find this out or you are unable to or we were unknowleadgeable in diin then we just say bisinka and eat because anything further is pointless, being "obstinate in diin"

However it is pretty well known that the western world stuns its animals. Googling 10 seconds mcdonalds says they stun all their animals for slaughter so now that i know that i cant knowingly go into mcdonalds and eat a big mac. And if were being real they are not even doing bisinka over the stunning

The quran says so, in a clear manner.
We don't need further interpretations.

Its in black and white in the Quran.

Khalas, that's enough.

 

[cunug3aad]

The quran says so, in a clear manner.
We don't need further interpretations.

Its in black and white in the Quran.

Khalas, that's enough.

Literally before this it prohibits eating bakhti do you know islamically what bakhti is. The animal that hasnt been slaughtered properly. Lets say the ahlul kitaab of nebiga scw time stuns their animals now you have two statements that appear to conflict. Why is the consumption of bakhti being made halaal just because a christian or jew was the one who killed it. Clearly the ahlul kitaab of then were moving different from "ahlul kitaab" of now who stun their animals

 

[Soul Kaizer]

American Muslims when asked about any topic become the most strictest sheikh but if someone suggests the most mainstream understanding of halal and haram food and they become a hippie Muslim progressive.

Anything to justify their goyslop

 

[reer]

Literally before this it prohibits eating bakhti do you know islamically what bakhti is. The animal that hasnt been slaughtered properly. Lets say the ahlul kitaab of nebiga scw time stuns their animals now you have two statements that appear to conflict. Why is the consumption of bakhti being made halaal just because a christian or jew was the one who killed it. Clearly the ahlul kitaab of then were moving different from "ahlul kitaab" of now who stun their animals

American Muslims when asked about any topic become the most strictest sheikh but if someone suggests the most mainstream understanding of halal and haram food and they become a hippie Muslim progressive.

Anything to justify their goyslop

 

[DubatDiaries]

From my experience, Somalis in America (Seattle/minneapolis) are better at the whole Zabeeha thing…my cousins/ family friends would only eat at halal places. Meanwhile Somali Canadians do not gaf, ordering a steak at a cadaan restaurant is normal. We used to live off the McDonalds junior chicken meals in school

 

[Shayla]

Literally before this it prohibits eating bakhti do you know islamically what bakhti is. The animal that hasnt been slaughtered properly. Lets say the ahlul kitaab of nebiga scw time stuns their animals now you have two statements that appear to conflict. Why is the consumption of bakhti being made halaal just because a christian or jew was the one who killed it. Clearly the ahlul kitaab of then were moving different from "ahlul kitaab" of now who stun their animals

All halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter.

 

[cunug3aad]

All halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter.

Thats just fake news HMC specifically advocates against that and the people who do
Hmc is like the main proper trusted org everyone else is a bit wishy washy

HMC Halal Criteria​

The following describes some of the key criteria for Halal adopted by HMC:

• Animal is alive and healthy prior to slaughter (also correct species of animal)
• Mandatory recitation of Tasmiyah by a Muslim slaughter man (blessing) on each animal
• Swift and humane incision rendering the animal insensible to pain (Hand Slaughter).
• Compliance check ensuring 3 of the 4 main vessels are cut

In addition, all meat is labeled and sealed (where appropriate) and checks for cross contamination are made.

HMC exposes the corrupt practices found in the ‘Halal’ meat industry highlighting the potential dangers for Muslim consumers who freely buy meat and poultry from non certified sources and which necessitated the formation of HMC. What is even more worrying is that despite many slaughter – conditions being violated, the consumables are falsely labelled as ‘Halal’ and consumers are led to believe that they are genuinely Halal whereas in many cases the consumables would be Haram!

We can divide the industry into four areas:

1. Abattoirs & Slaughterhouses​

Many Muslims who originate from the Indian sub continent, Africa or Arab countries naively think that all meat and poultry is slaughtered in a simple manner which they saw practised in the countries they came from. What we have failed to realise is the demand for Halal meat and poultry has dramatically increased in the west and the companies supplying the meat and poultry have had to look for ways to increase the output. This has meant finding quicker ways of slaying the animals and at the same time keeping within the Halal laws. With this proving difficult, many slaughterhouses have looked for shortcuts in the Halal rules, many disregard the Halal slaughter prerequisites and many have no knowledge of the prerequisites whilst the main aim has become the increase of production and its returns. The corrupt and non-islamic practices prevalent within slaughterhouses supplying to the Halal market are as follows:

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• Slaughtermen at abattoirs not reciting the Tasmiyah which is a condition for the animal to be Halal
• Taped Tasmiyyah
• Blessed Blades
• Non-Muslims slaughtering at various abattoirs, rendering the meat Haram
• Mechanical Slaughter/usage of rotating mechanical blades which does not serve to conduct a halal slaughter
• Minimum amount of required vessels not cut resulting in the animal being Haram
• Stunning animals prior to slaughter
• Dip tank water temperature over 60C for de-feathering causing the impurity to reach the flesh, which is Haram
• Imports and Mixing
• Contamination issue

 

[Shayla]

Thats just fake news HMC specifically advocates against that and the people who do
Hmc is like the main proper trusted org everyone else is a bit wishy washy

Lol
Its not fake news


Halal meat in the UK is stunned.

 

[Stimpy]

The diaspora that used to live in Italy used to consume non halal meat all the time