Do clans have the right to self determination

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

The problem with this is that it creates more and more division. In the end you will see villages self determining themselves

 

[Jaffar]

The problem with this is that it creates more and more division. In the end you will see villages self determining themselves

so you sayin they cant determine their own future ., or maybe we should only allow big clans to determine their future

 

[Supasta]

Sure they do, but not in the sense you might think. All peoples have a right to self-determination. If a clan meets the criteria required to be recognized as a “people,” then yes, it could qualify. However, individual Somali clans generally do not meet those criteria.

Even if they did, that would not automatically grant them the right to external self-determination, meaning the right to form an independent state, unite with another, or freely determine their international status. Rather, they would be entitled to internal self-determination, which is the right of a people within an existing state to pursue their own development, maintain a degree of autonomy, and enjoy political representation within that state.

 

[Jaffar]

Welll i think ethnic groups dont even have the right to self determination in some cases remember the kurds the somalis in the ogaden region., its a right but its not always granted by the countries these ethnic groupslive in , but its a grey area because when they say peoples , they dont say what they mean

 

[Juke]

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[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

so you sayin they cant determine their own future ., or maybe we should only allow big clans to determine their future

nah im saying like where do we cross the line. because the tribe divides into sub sub sub sub clans that wanna self determine too

 

[Jaffar]

Well we should determine based on the big clan so smaller subclans cant have self determination

 

[Kamaaludeen Al Reewin]

Well we should determine based on the big clan so smaller subclans cant have self determination

personally i think we are all somali forget all of the never ending tribalism

 

[Jaffar]

That I agree with but we need a way to keep every one happy other wise we will not have a healthy society

 

[The Oponian Guild]

No clan has solely decided anything, modern day Somalia came to existence with the co-operation of various clans, practically all clans participated.

The problem is clans have reverted back to cawaannimo and shortsightedness. It shouldn’t be hard for clans to acknowledge that cooperation is the way forward.

The government is the FGS which is the successor state to all the previous governments. It has the authority and clans should abide by it. Its corrupt, but it can be salvaged.

None of this true, genuinely astonished to see people completely revise entire sections of somali history.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

nah im saying like where do we cross the line. because the tribe divides into sub sub sub sub clans that wanna self determine too

That’s a fallacy.