Dividing Somalia into independent clan states = peace and prosperity?

[Kalshaale]

That's pretty much it right there. No other choices, because our population is already small as it due to us being murdered for two decades with impunity.

Former Yugo countries are already simmering with another civil war, according to geo-political circles. So that experiment has already failed. Let's learn from the mistakes of others.

In order to learn the mistakes of others, you have to be able to know how to read and write. Majority of Somalis are illiterate. Don't let the countless fraud so-called "Schools" and "Universities" operating in Somalia fool you. Most of the "college" graduates in Somalia today cannot read, write or speak proper English, Arabic or any other language. Heck, they cannot even read, write or speak their native language.

The Somali ethnic group will be extinct within the next 100 years.

 

[TheSayid]

might work elsewhere but the south is too diverse clan wise, and more borders will create more reasons to fight, they now have even more incentive since they will be fighting over the borders of a sovereign country instead of federal states. the war to determine these small countries will be deadly

 

[Cadmus]

In order to learn the mistakes of others, you have to be able to know how to read and write. Majority of Somalis are illiterate. Don't let the countless fraud so-called "Schools" and "Universities" operating in Somalia fool you. Most of the "college" graduates in Somalia today cannot read, write or speak proper English, Arabic or any other language. Heck, they cannot even read, write or speak their native language.

The Somali ethnic group will be extinct within the next 100 years.

Say what? Extinct? Do you actually have something to back up this extreme prediction, or is it based on self-hate/apathy?

 

[Cadmus]

might work elsewhere but the south is too diverse clan wise, and more borders will create more reasons to fight, they now have even more incentive since they will be fighting over the borders of a sovereign country instead of federal states. the war to determine these small countries will be deadly

There won't be a war between us, as a people.

 

[Regg]

Its the only solutions as the whole notion of somalia is a colonial project

That's the solution. Nationalism in the Horns of Africa doesn't work and will never work. The biggest disaster was creating the artificial borders, incorporating all regions into one state and placing single tribe, ethnic or clan to power. This resulted into prolonging conflicts.

Eg: The Mareehan clan was installed and were seen as elites in the society while all tribes and clans were excluded and were treated as third class citizens. The same can be said to the past Amharan rule and the present Tigray-Tigrinya rule where everyone is excluded in the society and are suppressed. That's why the North did the right thing and separated themselves from the rest of Somalia. They no longer have to worry about being dominated by a tribe from elsewhere. Proof that if other states will disintegrate and have their own, there will be less to no problems. Look at the Balkan today compared to the single-ethnic led (Serb) Yugoslavia...

In short, to restore stability, abolish all artificial borders and pre-colonial boundaries must be restored. All clans, tribes and ethnicity should rule their own territories like in the ancient times.

 

[Kalshaale]

Say what? Extinct? Do you actually have something to back up this extreme prediction, or is it based on self-hate/apathy?

Self-hate/apathy. No prove.

 

[Cadmus]

Wallahi habashidhan wa cajiib.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

The remedy for our illness is the shariah law, as much as some of you loath it is what it is.

 

[Canuck]

In order to learn the mistakes of others, you have to be able to know how to read and write. Majority of Somalis are illiterate. Don't let the countless fraud so-called "Schools" and "Universities" operating in Somalia fool you. Most of the "college" graduates in Somalia today cannot read, write or speak proper English, Arabic or any other language. Heck, they cannot even read, write or speak their native language.

The Somali ethnic group will be extinct within the next 100 years.

We were in worst situations in past and we never extincted and this current situation will pass also.

 

[Canuck]

Somaliland budget is bigger the Somalias

It is Somalia not somalias

 

[waraabe]

It is Somalia not somalias

Don't quote me again when you struggle with smbith languages.

It is Somalia's btw you stupid fob

 

[Canuck]

Don't quote me again when you struggle with smbith languages.

It is Somalia's btw you stupid fob

I am FOA fresh out of airplane not boat

 

[waraabe]

I am FOA fresh out of airplane not boat

You are a fob

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Its the only solutions as the whole notion of somalia is a colonial project

True, but dividing Somalia into independent states would be a terrible idea because none of them would have the population to sustain a high level of economic development i.e Ethiopia needs access to four ports max. Somalia as it is does not have enough capital to do much development, 5 new states would be even more resource poor.

There are already huge problems coming in the next years as federal states start taxing everything that crosses their borders. To go from Kismayo to Galkacyo will mean crossing 4 borders and having to pay tax 4 times!

 

[yas/London]

 

[Inactive]

There will be none of that.

Somaliland is the reason for all the autonomous states popping up lol

 

[waraabe]

There will be none of that.

Somaliland is the reason for all the autonomous states popping up lol

Why? Somaliland is going back to its former status as a recognised nation

 

[Coolorte]

There will be none of that.

Somaliland is the reason for all the autonomous states popping up lol

Shutup you gaal

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Why? Somaliland is going back to its former status as a recognised nation

Waraabe, being very honest while Somaliland's case is special in Africa, perhaps only Senegambia is similar, the probability that the AU would recognize Somaliland without the consent of Mogadishu is very remote. The two other cases of division are Eritrea and South Sudan. Meles Zenawi allowed Eritrea to secede after the 1991 revolution, and Sudan was forced to let go of the South after committing genocide there. Senegambia broke apart when Senegal kicked out Gambia after a 7 year union.

The case of Somalia and Somaliland is more complicated because unity of the state was in effect for 31 years, Somaliland was effectively absorbed by Somalia, there was nothing called Somaliland after 1960. The ethnic dimension is also missing, the world does not take clan identification seriously when considering recognizing a new state. The only real opportunity for Somaliland to become an independent state was right after the civil war, when Somalia looked like a hopeless mess. It basically waited for too long, and a real government has formed in Mogadishu during that time. No one in the international community wants to recognize Somaliland and be blamed for balkanizing Somalia, and in 5 to 10 year's time Somaliland will be urged to enter into some sort of federation or confederation with Somalia. You had a chance from 91 to 2004 and you spent most of that time fighting over who gets Hargeisa airport, that is the hard truth.