Dividing Somalia into independent clan states = peace and prosperity?

[Regg]

Hello to everyone,

I'd like to talk about the solution to peace in Somalia. Now, the Somalians in general are very tribal and chauvinistic. They dislike being ruled by tribes not related to them or foreigners. They are only loyal to their clans.

I have noticed the difference between central Somalia and the rest of the region.

How peaceful are Djibouti, Somaliland and the Somalian region in Ethiopia is compared to central Somalia?

Could it be because they are owned by clans who are only loyal to their territories and they wouldn't need to worry about being dominated or dictated by other tribes?

Djibouti is owned by the Issa clan, Somaliland is owned by the Isaac clan, Puntland is owned by the Darood clan and Somalian region in Ethiopia is a federal state (ruled by the Somalian clans) of Ethiopia. There are almost zero tribal conflict in those regions.

Somalia on the other hand is still in turmoil because there are tribes who are fighting each other over lands, wanting independence, Al-Shabab, almost lawlessness, government are corrupted, tribal and so on.

What happpens if Somalia disintegrate and everyone gets their own independent clan states like the North? What are the chance of removing tribal conflict and moving toward peace?

@AbdiJohnson

 

[Apollo]

No. It won't work, and it won't happen. The African Union is staunchly against relining borders along ethnic or clannish lines. Their stance is that the current borders in Africa are set for life unless the ''mother country'' acknowledges the breakaway state.The Americas, Europe, and Asia all respect the AU and follow its guidelines.

This is why Somaliland will fail forever so long as Mogadishu ignores them.

 

[waraabe]

No. It won't work, and it won't happen. The African Union is staunchly against relining borders along ethnic or clannish lines. Their stance is that the current borders in Africa are set for life unless the ''mother country'' acknowledges the breakaway state.The Americas, Europe, and Asia all respect the AU and follow its guidelines.

This is why Somaliland will fail forever so long as Mogadishu ignores them.

Somalilands international recognition is a question of when rather then if.

 

[Apollo]

Somalilands international recognition is a question of when rather then if.

A question of when they'll give up hope rather than if. You have been cockblocked by Somalia and will forever remain cockblocked.

 

[waraabe]

A question of when they'll give up hope rather than if. You have been cockblocked by Somalia and will forever remain cockblocked.

Yet somaliland is signing international deals. Time for you to stop focusing on somaliland and focus on how to get rid of your tribal federalism that is resulting in daily wars for your little provence

 

[Apollo]

Yet somaliland is signing international deals. Time for you to stop focusing on somaliland and focus on how to get rid of your tribal federalism that is resulting in daily wars for your little provence

The Federal Republic of Somalia can legally seize assets in Somaliland and destroy any contracts if it so wishes. Those companies have no leg to stand on at international tribunals or courts.

This legal/business insecurity will keep you poor, unless you come to terms with your destiny.

 

[waraabe]

The Federal Republic of Somalia can legally seize assets in Somaliland and destroy any contracts if it so wishes. Those companies have no leg to stand on at international tribunals or courts.

This legal/business insecurity will keep you poor, unless you come to terms with your destiny.

Why hasn't it done so

 

[Apollo]

Why hasn't it done so

Somaliland is poor as f*ck. Maybe not by your standard, but by international standards it is.

You aren't getting any serious FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) because of your legal status. The recognition question puts a ceiling on your economic development. You will never be rich so as long as that is an issue.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Its the only solutions as the whole notion of somalia is a colonial project

 

[Canuck]

Hello to everyone,

I'd like to talk about the solution to peace in Somalia. Now, the Somalians in general are very tribal and chauvinistic. They dislike being ruled by tribes not related to them or foreigners. They are only loyal to their clans.

I have noticed the difference between central Somalia and the rest of the region.

How peaceful are Djibouti, Somaliland and the Somalian region in Ethiopia is compared to central Somalia?

Could it be because they are owned by clans who are only loyal to their territories and they wouldn't need to worry about being dominated or dictated by other tribes?

Djibouti is owned by the Issa clan, Somaliland is owned by the Isaac clan, Puntland is owned by the Darood clan and Somalian region in Ethiopia is a federal state (ruled by the Somalian clans) of Ethiopia. There are almost zero tribal conflict in those regions.

Somalia on the other hand is still in turmoil because there are tribes who are fighting each other over lands, wanting independence, Al-Shabab, almost lawlessness, government are corrupted, tribal and so on.

What happpens if Somalia disintegrate and everyone gets their own independent clan states like the North? What are the chance of removing tribal conflict and moving toward peace?

@AbdiJohnson

First of all, you did not introduce yourself to us here, obviously you are Ethiopian from your previous replies to me. Second, you are so interested in fellowing Somali forums?
Third, are you going to answer us or run away like every time ?
Last, although you will deny it but do you work for Ethiopian intelligence?
you have been here in SSpot since last year, but this is your second thread. You always leave negative marks about Somalis.

@Cadmus @Repenting Slave@VixR @Ahlubayt @Odeg @Bahal @Sidi Dirir

 

[merka]

The Federal Republic of Somalia can legally seize assets in Somaliland and destroy any contracts if it so wishes. Those companies have no leg to stand on at international tribunals or courts.

This legal/business insecurity will keep you poor, unless you come to terms with your destiny.

Somalia cannot take Somaliland to court because legally the union was never ratified by both parliaments in 1960. If they do take Somaliland to court that will be the day Somaliland will be legally recognized as a state.

All Somalia can do is keep the status quo and hope Somaliland will fail by itself, which is very unlikely. Everyday Somaliland functions as a independent state, the more the international community wants to have diplomatic relationships with it.

Compare Somaliland now to what it was 10 years ago and you can see that time is running out for Somalia. Either they give up on Somaliland gracefully and they can have good relations with each other or it will be a messy divorce and there will be resentment which would make both countries weaker in the long run.

 

[Canuck]

@Regg you still didn't answer us our questions in your old thread http://www.somalispot.com/threads/w...ipate-in-politics-on-islam.14587/#post-320373

 

[Canuck]

@Amun @merka the thread is bait the guy @Regg is not even Somali at all, ask him why he is interested in Somali politics and who is he? And what do he want from us?

 

[Bernie Madoff]

@Amun @merka the thread is bait the guy @Regg is not even Somali at all, ask him why he is interested in Somali politics and who is he? And what do he want from us?

Shut up and who cares Its good that non somali is takig interest in our politics.

@Regg Yes somalia should just get balkanized cause this united somalia is a pipe dream esp when the south can't handle 10,000 al shabab fights.

 

[Canuck]

Shut up and who cares Its good that non somali is takig interest in our politics.

@Regg Yes somalia should just get balkanized cause this united somalia is a pipe dream esp when the south can't handle 10,000 al shabab fights.

Respect yourself harari boy

 

[waraabe]

Somaliland is poor as f*ck. Maybe not by your standard, but by international standards it is.

You aren't getting any serious FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) because of your legal status. The recognition question puts a ceiling on your economic development. You will never be rich so as long as that is an issue.

Somaliland budget is bigger the Somalias

 

[Cadmus]

First of all, you did not introduce yourself to us here, obviously you are Ethiopian from your previous replies to me. Second, you are so interested in fellowing Somali forums?
Third, are you going to answer us or run away like every time ?
Last, although you will deny it but do you work for Ethiopian intelligence?
you have been here in SSpot since last year, but this is your second thread. You always leave negative marks about Somalis.

@Cadmus @Repenting Slave@VixR @Ahlubayt @Odeg @Bahal @Sidi Dirir

Only saw this thread now.

Well spotted. When they work so hard to make us hate our own people, than that person has an agenda. Habashi are usually below par intellectually, so not even well hidden. (No Omega-3 fatty acids for healthy brain development + too much raw meat which makes people bloodthirsty.) Look at Japan, highest amount of Soy and fish consumed on earth = most intelligent and technologically advanced nation.

As for dividing into clan states, That's the most dangerous idea ever. Look at what Djibouti did during the war, refusing even Isaaq so people fled into the arms of the ethiopian army instead. That's disgraceful wallahi. Imagine a few more regions without Somalinimo like that. The breaking up into different regions based on clan, would forever legally and politically legitimise qabyalaad.

 

[Kalshaale]

Somalis in Somalia have two choices:

1) Unit and rebuild Somalia.
2) Disintegrate Somalia into mini-clan States, like Yugoslavia.

 

[Cadmus]

Somalis in Somalia have two choices:

1) Unit and rebuild Somalia.
2) Disintegrate Somalia into mini-clan States, like Yugoslavia.

That's pretty much it right there. No other choices, because our population is already small as it due to us being murdered for two decades with impunity.

Former Yugo countries are already simmering with another civil war, according to geo-political circles. So that experiment has already failed. Let's learn from the mistakes of others.

 

[Bahal]

They will not stop at clan states, the subclans will want their own autonomous regions, then the sub sub clans, and so and and so forth until every tiny laf is totally sovereign



Secession is a slippery slope that will doom the Somali people.