disloyalty of some members.

[Ash'arite]

abdi is that you?

:siilaanyosmile:

 

[ItsHanna]

I own loyalty to no one. Would I help a Somali person over a ethopian? No. I would help no one or I would help the person I saw first or who ever needed more help.

I don't discriminate or favor anyone.

 

[TooMacaan]

. lmfao. Have you no respect for borders. have you not seen how ethiopia interferes with our national affairs? We are the luckiest ethnicity in the horn of africa for having a country where our national identity could align with ethnicity due to homogeneity. isn't it more logical to support a country which could align with your own identity and therefore your interests. Pan-HOA is such a dangerous concept. to me pan-hoa=pan-ethiopia.

I do respect borders and I disagree with Ethiopia interfering in Somali affairs, outside of getting rid of terrorists (which pose a danger to the whole HOA). I agree that Somalis have it good when it comes to sharing the same ethnicity throughout but it's human nature to look for differences and divide. If Ethiopia were to split up tomorrow into homogeneous ethnic-based federal states, there would still be problems...why? Same reason; human tendency towards tribalism. I'm not saying let's all become one country, but rather let's stop looking for every opportunity to undermine each other. Our countries are happily willing to let Westerners pillage our resources to develop their nations while keeping us indebted and dependent on them...but the real enemy the nations in our proximity???

My main point is the whole world continues to advance and our region (which has a lot of potential, in terms of geopolitics) rather bicker among one another and point fingers instead of swallowing our pride and focusing our efforts on development.

 

[TooMacaan]

Your comment doesn't make sense. You went from pan-HOA to Somali clans.
People with similarities are better off forming their own country instead of being sovereign nations.

There would be no senseless hatred if all clans agreed which will probably never happen. Clans will never forgive, so it's better to make them forget. The younger people are mostly anti-qabil with the exception of some Landers.

How does it not make sense? When I proposed the idea of countries in the HOA working together, some Somalis will oppose by saying that they can never work with Ethiopia and how certain circumstances have eliminated that possibility. The reason why I brought up clans is because I'm aware that the majority of Somalis who make such comments are usually from the same clan and also tend to also have other aligning political beliefs...and those same clans tell other clans to forgive and forget when they can't do the same with regards to Ethiopia. I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy.

As to the bolded: That applies to the whole region, if most of us agreed..there wouldn't be senseless hatred. (Why do you think it'll never happen though? Shouldn't we be trying to move towards something that will be beneficial for everyone?? If our starting point is a mindset which believes success/peace is unfeasible, we' re just destining ourselves for doom...may be corny but: "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" kinda thing). Clans will eventually have to forgive but both sides have to be willing to compromise fairly (Europe was divided into many opposing pieces once, no?), it's a complex topic for sure though.

 

[TooMacaan]

habesh lovers that's that shit i don't like
amxaar niggas that's that shit i don't like

Why point out one specific group? Amxaar isn't even in power...

 

[TooMacaan]

We'll discuss that when we have the upper hand

Upper hand??? There will be no progress with talk like that...
Why not just equal footing?

 

[Mohamud]

Why point out one specific group? Amxaar isn't even in power...

they're the niggas in my city

 

[TooMacaan]

they're the niggas in my city

How can you tell them apart?

 

[Mohamud]

How can you tell them apart?

don't worry they'll be sure to let you know EXACTLY what they are

 

[TooMacaan]

don't worry they'll be sure to let you know EXACTLY what they are

Amxaar aren't the type to identify by ethnicity/tribe though; most just say Ethiopia.

 

[Canuck]

No one said anything about federalism. And I was talking more about a pan-HOA thing(specifically, HOA because lack of stability in this region hurts ALL involved) where people with similarities root for each other to have peace/order instead of all this senseless hatred. You want other Somali clans to forgive and forget the past against those who hurt them but you aren't willing to do the same.

First let Habashis stop oppressing the Oromo their own brothers then think of uniting with other countries in the region. Unite between your own 80 tribes insteading of reaching to different countries.

 

[Mohamud]

Amxaar aren't the type to identify by ethnicity/tribe though; most just say Ethiopia.

I-in what world? Pretty sure their overreaching ethnic group is larger than all Somalis combined so they're not as fussed but they sure as hell identify with their ethnic group wtf

 

[Arman]

How does it not make sense? When I proposed the idea of countries in the HOA working together, some Somalis will oppose by saying that they can never work with Ethiopia and how certain circumstances have eliminated that possibility.

I don't think a united HOA state will work. Looking at the current situation of Ethiopia, we already know how that would look like. If you mean something like the EU, then it might work in the far future, but definitely not now.

The reason why I brought up clans is because I'm aware that the majority of Somalis who make such comments are usually from the same clan and also tend to also have other aligning political beliefs...and those same clans tell other clans to forgive and forget when they can't do the same with regards to Ethiopia. I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy.

Your argument here is flawed. Ethiopians are perceived as the enemy while Somalis are not. Unionists come from ever clan fyi(at least according to this forum).

As to the bolded: That applies to the whole region, if most of us agreed..there wouldn't be senseless hatred. (Why do you think it'll never happen though? Shouldn't we be trying to move towards something that will be beneficial for everyone?? If our starting point is a mindset which believes success/peace is unfeasible, we' re just destining ourselves for doom...may be corny but: "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" kinda thing).Clans will eventually have to forgive but both sides have to be willing to compromise fairly (Europe was divided into many opposing pieces once, no?), it's a complex topic for sure though.

Every group is after their own selfish interests. That's how it's always been. I don't expect tribalism to die out while I'm alive. You can't destroy a mindset that has been adopted for centuries to die out within a generation or two.

 

[TooMacaan]

I-in what world? Pretty sure their overreaching ethnic group is larger than all Somalis combined so they're not as fussed but they sure as hell identify with their ethnic group wtf

Hmm...that's not my experience. Anyways, you're not friends with anyone from that group then...since there are so much in your city? And did you have bad experiences with them? Are you Canadian by the way?

 

[Mohamud]

Hmm...that's not my experience. Anyways, you're not friends with anyone from that group then...since there are so much in your city? And did you have bad experiences with them? Are you Canadian by the way?

no bad experiences i was purely memeing in my post

i went to school with many (they were more keen to put their kids in my school circuit to avoid other somalis in the area). they can be every bit as arrogant as Somalis, however, they have fewer restrictions like being able to buy property. so they never stay in the communities they arrive in and eventually leave for the suburbs or go into the core of the city because they can afford it.

 

[TooMacaan]

First let Habashis stop oppressing the Oromo their own brothers then think of uniting with other countries in the region. Unite between your own 80 tribes insteading of reaching to different countries.

Lol, the same person who was trashing Oromos (saying Oromos are cannibals, that they are criminals, they are expansionists, etc) is now pretending like they care about Oromos??? Foh. And there is no "habashis" opressing Oromo...its just the government, and not all Ethiopians agree with the government. I hope you know by now that government != innocent civilians/citizens.

 

[TooMacaan]

no bad experiences i was purely memeing in my post

i went to school with many (they were more keen to put their kids in my school circuit to avoid other somalis in the area). they can be every bit as arrogant as Somalis, however, they have fewer restrictions like being able to buy property. so they never stay in the communities they arrive in and eventually leave for the suburbs or go into the core of the city because they can afford it.

Lol sorry, I'm kinda confused by your post..."avoid other Somalis in the area?" "fewer restrictions to buy property?"...what area are you talking about? Ogaden?

 

[Mohamud]

Lol sorry, I'm kinda confused by your post..."avoid other Somalis in the area?" "fewer restrictions to buy property?"...what area are you talking about? Ogaden?

toronto rofl

 

[Canuck]

Lol, the same person who was trashing Oromos (saying Oromos are cannibals, that they are criminals, they are expansionists, etc) is now pretending like they care about Oromos??? Foh. And there is no "habashis" opressing Oromo...its just the government, and not all Ethiopians agree with the government. I hope you know by now that government != innocent civilians/citizens.

I am pointing to your hypocrisy here, I don't give shit about you Ethiopians or your country second poorest country in world. just stay from meddling in our country and return Ogaden to Somalia. Something else the day we think of uniting with other countries we will choose rich countries not Ethiopia where 10 millions are facing famine without any wars.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I'm open to the idea of a HOA union, but this is far-fetched. For now, the main goal should be to rebuild & modernise Somalia...


I've had thoughts about a unified HOA state that unites all Cushites(including Habeshas) under a secular gov't based on the Russian model & has Af Somali as the official language to rival the EAF aka bantu empire.

But the first step to that is a strong & prosperous Somalia.