Decoding Somali Patriotism

[GeeljireGenius]

In Somalia, it's like we've got this selective patriotism thing going on. Isaaqs shares a bit of their sea, and suddenly, everyone's up in arms. But here's the twist – it's not really about what they did, it's about which clan did it.

folks criticizing SL but cheering for their federal states or the federal government, which, surprise, have pulled off similar moves. It's kinda like picking favorites based on who's involved, rather than looking at the actual actions.

Are we really judging actions objectively, or are we just being swayed by our clan loyalties?

 

[SaMale]

In Somalia, it's like we've got this selective patriotism thing going on. Isaaqs shares a bit of their sea, and suddenly, everyone's up in arms. But here's the twist – it's not really about what they did, it's about which clan did it.

folks criticizing SL but cheering for their federal states or the federal government, which, surprise, have pulled off similar moves. It's kinda like picking favorites based on who's involved, rather than looking at the actual actions.

Are we really judging actions objectively, or are we just being swayed by our clan loyalties?

, Ive said this a couple of times this week and I've been ignored because most people on the site are staunch, somalia to the death qabilists who bash SL whenever they get the chance resulting me in no choice but to play the same game since they are unfairly painting SL as a sellout as if HSM and farmaajo haven't been playing that game forever. I think it's just rooted in the fact they still haven't gotten over Somalilands independence and ability to make deals on the continental and international scale when they can (because they don't have recognition yet).

 

[Mayor]

In Somalia, it's like we've got this selective patriotism thing going on. Isaaqs shares a bit of their sea, and suddenly, everyone's up in arms. But here's the twist – it's not really about what they did, it's about which clan did it.

folks criticizing SL but cheering for their federal states or the federal government, which, surprise, have pulled off similar moves. It's kinda like picking favorites based on who's involved, rather than looking at the actual actions.

Are we really judging actions objectively, or are we just being swayed by our clan loyalties?

Why are you ignoring the part where there will also be a foreign military base?

If this was just a port deal it wouldn’t have gotten this reaction. But the inclusion of the Ethiopian military makes it clear as to what the SL regime’s true intentions are

I’m praying for our brothers and sisters in SSC, they’re definitely going to need it

Investigate Somaliland killings, says Amnesty International

More than 100 people have been killed and over 600 injured including dozens of civilians amid fighting between Somaliland security forces and armed fighters affiliated with the Dhulbahante clan in Las Anod.

www.amnesty.org

 

[SaMale]

Why are you ignoring the part where there will also be a foreign military base?

If this was just a port deal it wouldn’t have gotten this reaction. But the inclusion of the Ethiopian military makes it clear as to what the SL regime’s true intentions are

I’m praying for our brothers and sisters in SSC, they’re definitely going to need it

Investigate Somaliland killings, says Amnesty International

More than 100 people have been killed and over 600 injured including dozens of civilians amid fighting between Somaliland security forces and armed fighters affiliated with the Dhulbahante clan in Las Anod.

www.amnesty.org

Bash the deal, fine, bash bihi, fine, but don't bash Somalilanders and dont bash somalilands sovereignty because the deal happened and you and al shabab ridden somalia couldn't do shit to control "its own terrority".

 

[GeeljireGenius]

, Ive said this a couple of times this week and I've been ignored because most people on the site are staunch, somalia to the death qabilists who bash SL whenever they get the chance resulting me in no choice but to play the same game since they are unfairly painting SL as a sellout as if HSM and farmaajo haven't been playing that game forever. I think it's just rooted in the fact they still haven't gotten over Somalilands independence and ability to make deals on the continental and international scale when they can (because they don't have recognition yet).

I'm against what SL did but what I hate more is hypocrites who have no problem with inviting Ethiopia when it suits their clan.

 

[GeeljireGenius]

Why are you ignoring the part where there will also be a foreign military base?

If this was just a port deal it wouldn’t have gotten this reaction. But the inclusion of the Ethiopian military makes it clear as to what the SL regime’s true intentions are

I’m praying for our brothers and sisters in SSC, they’re definitely going to need it

Investigate Somaliland killings, says Amnesty International

More than 100 people have been killed and over 600 injured including dozens of civilians amid fighting between Somaliland security forces and armed fighters affiliated with the Dhulbahante clan in Las Anod.

www.amnesty.org

There are foreign troops everywhere, without them there wouldn't be a somali country.

 

[Mayor]

Bash the deal, fine, bash bihi, fine, but don't bash Somalilanders and dont bash somalilands sovereignty because the deal happened and you and al shabab ridden somalia couldn't do shit to control "its own terrority".

Classic deflection tactic

Where did I mention anything about the people of SL or their sovereignty? I don’t give a shit about what you people do on your land. I’ve said time and time again, what people do on their land is no one else’s business

But SL couldn’t do shit to control “it’s own territory” when the people of SSC fought and retook their land from SL

You and I know both know what the SL government plans on doing to the people of SSC once they get help from the Ethiopian government. Do you want ictiraaf this bad that you’re going to overlook the obvious truth?

You are being disingenuous

 

[SaMale]

There are foreign troops everywhere, without them there wouldn't be a somali country.

I'm against what SL did but what I hate more is hypocrites who have no problem with inviting Ethiopia when it suits their clan.

Exactly, I hate the deal too but all these anti lander and qabilists are turning me toxic. But yeah they aren't being fair by a long stretch.

 

[Mayor]

There are foreign troops everywhere, without them there wouldn't be a somali country.

I don’t agree with the foreign troops. However you can’t compare foreign troops fighting Al shabbab with what’s going in SSC, these situations are nothing alike

 

[SaMale]

Classic deflection tactic

Where did I mention anything about the people of SL or their sovereignty? I don’t give a shit about what you people do on your land. I’ve said time and time again, what people do on their land is no one else’s business

But SL couldn’t do shit to control “it’s own territory” when the people of SSC fought and retook their land from SL

You and I know both know what the SL government plans on doing to the people of SSC once they get help from the Ethiopian government. Do you want ictiraaf this bad that you’re going to overlook the obvious truth?

You are being disingenuous

And I don't support that, I don't even support the government actions really and truly, but when you paint it out like somalia is the innocent angel that's never once sold itself and it has and somaliland is a non existent place called iidorland then I have no choice to do what your doing because frankly i actually have some pride about coming from Somaliland like you have about somalia.

 

[Cartan Boos]

No federal state ever gave awal big chunk of their land to foreigners permanently they not illiterate like u people

 

[GeeljireGenius]

I don’t agree with the foreign troops. However you can’t compare foreign troops fighting Al shabbab with what’s going in SSC, these situations are nothing alike

Why not? If other tribes can use foreign troops to hold their kursi why can't muuse bixi do it too?

 

[Mayor]

And I don't support that, I don't even support the government actions really and truly, but when you paint it out like somalia is the innocent angel that's never once sold itself and it has and somaliland is a non existent place called iidorland then I have no choice to do what your doing because frankly i actually have some pride about coming from Somaliland like you have about somalia.

Walaal I fucking hate the government of Somalia. My criticisms of what Somaliland is doing has nothing to do with how I view Somalia. These points are independent of one another

Maybe you’ve been interacting with diehard Somalia supporters who never let want to admit Somalia’s faults, I’m not one of those people

I just hate the hypocrisy of many SL supporters. They say Somalia doesn’t respect their sovereignty while SL has never respected the sovereignty of the clans who wish to stay with Somalia, even resorting to violence when they don’t get their way

 

[GeeljireGenius]

No federal state ever gave awal big chunk of their land to foreigners permanently they not illiterate like u people
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Ethiopia has been in Gedo for over 30 years, I don't see any Daarood protetesting against or any kablalax protesting against the kenyans in Jubba .

 

[Cartan Boos]

Ethiopia has been in Gedo for over 30 years, I don't see any Daarood protetesting against or any kablalax protesting against the kenyans in Jubba .

They are tiny belonging to AUN peace keeping army not really big threat and its not permanent

 

[GeeljireGenius]

They are tiny belonging to AUN peace keeping army not really big threat and its not permanent

See how you downplay when it's your clan, you're proving my point.

 

[SaMale]

Walaal I fucking hate the government of Somalia. My criticisms of what Somaliland is doing has nothing to do with how I view Somalia. These points are independent of one another

Maybe you’ve been interacting with diehard Somalia supporters who never let want to admit Somalia’s faults, I’m not one of those people

I just hate the hypocrisy of many SL supporters. They say Somalia doesn’t respect their sovereignty while SL has never respected the sovereignty of the clans who wish to stay with Somalia, even resorting to violence when they don’t get their way

Now your deflecting, this thread was about the deal and thats what ive been talking about, also SSC and Somaliland and all that, I don't have enough information nor the knowledge to speak properly with you on it. I do not support the killing of anybody, what I do know is that the contested regions as the gaal put it, are not unanimously together in the subject of staying or joining puntland, however, if somalia doesn't recognize Somaliland, nobody is going to expect Somaliland to allow those regions to leave easily.

 

[Mayor]

Ethiopia has been in Gedo for over 30 years, I don't see any Daarood protetesting against or any kablalax protesting against the kenyans in Jubba .

Foreign troops are in the South due to the civil war that happened in the 90s and the terrorist groups that are still operating today. Most of the foreign troops deployed in the south are there because of the African Union and the United Nations

Even with all of the foreign troops in the southern states, none of them are building military base that they plan on leasing for several decades. Matter of fact, there already were thousands of foreign troops who left last year. There are even more who are scheduled to leave by the end of 2024

Although Puntland does have some degree of terrorism, it is not to the level that exists in the south. If you can show me a foreign country building a long-term military base in Puntland, that would be a better example. Unlike Gedo, Puntland's situation is more similar to Somaliland

Why not? If other tribes can use foreign troops to hold their kursi why can't muuse bixi do it too?

You mentioned Gedo, so i'm assuming that this is a reference to Ahmed Madobe and how he collaborates with the Kenyan military to maintain power in Jubaland. People did criticized Madobe, and the federal government even tried to remove him from power. Neither of these things worked

In 2019 The FGS expelled the Kenyan ambassador and administered a blockacde on the Kismayo port and airport. This negatively impacted thousands of innocent civilians who had nothing to do with this political fight

The truth is Madobe was able to hold on to his "kursi" as you say not because people like him, but because he won. As I pointed out above, the FGS tried to remove Madobe from power during Farmarjo's term. The reality is, they failed

In 2020 Ethiopia was caught sending non-AMISOM soldiers to Gedo. It's believed that Farmajo asked them to do this as another attempt to put pressure on Madobe. This caused a lot of backlash and created many diplomatic problems between the FGS, Jubaland, Ethiopia, and Kenya

So when you say that there wasn't any backlash against the Ethiopian or Kenyan troops in Gedo, this simply isn't true. People have criticized Madobe's relationship with the Kenyan government, while others have criticized Farmarjo's relationship with the Ethiopians

Now your deflecting, this thread was about the deal and thats what ive been talking about, also SSC and Somaliland and all that, I don't have enough information nor the knowledge to speak properly with you on it

This isn't a deflection. The reason why I don't like the presence of a long term foreign military base in SL is simple. I am worried that the military base that will be built there will be used to attack the people of SSC. As you said, nobody should expect these regions to leave easily and I am afraid that adding Ethiopian soldiers and weapons will only make this situation even worse than it already is

Unlike SL's deal with Ethiopia, the foreign troops in Somalia all have an end date. However this military base that will be built in SL will be there for several decades, and the truth is nobody knows if Ethiopia will even leave once their lease expires. How do we know this won't be a Russian-Ukraine situation were the much larger country decides that they will want to keep the smaller country's land?

I know that a lot of the criticism for this deal is cuqdad ridden hypocrisy. But not everyone is viewing it that way. If you look at the facts that have been reveled to us so far, this is objectively a bad deal that will create even more instability in the region. Only the Ethiopian government will benefit from this deal