Decline of Wahabism Begins

[Haragwaafi]

Disgusting act which the prophet ﷺ nor the sahaba and their followers ever did.

If you seriously want to follow the prophet ﷺ and truly love him then fast on Mondays as the prophet told us that's the day he was born.

Abu Qatadah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation."

 

[Awdalite]

These are the natives of Hijaz.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Is that what they teach you in your online institute?

Do you have an Islamic proof that the sahaba and their followers used to celebrate mawlid before the arrival of Shia batiniyya fatimids in Egypt who invented that event??

 

[Haragwaafi]

These are the natives of Hijaz.

This are Shia rafidhis lol

Which Sunnis commemorate the mawlid of the non existent mahdi

 

[Awdalite]

This are Shia rafidhis lol

So Ahmed al Muhaisany and Muhammad Al Hakry who are some fo the most famous Hijazis in Saudi Arabia are Shias

Don't quote me again. I refuse to engage with low IQ users.

 

[Haragwaafi]

So Ahmed al Muhaisany and Muhammad Al Hakry who are some fo the most famous Hijazis in Saudi Arabia are Shias

Don't quote me again. I refuse to engage with low IQ users.

Idiot those are shia reciters and they aren't famous like you think they are.

The vid you posted of Ahmed al Muhaisany is in Shia mosque in Qatif as it says in the description box and his title is "الرادود" which is shia reciter who sings during ceremonial shia event as it says in the vid but it's not my problem if you don't know Arabic just don't be a stupid who thinks he knows everything.

 

[Awdalite]

Idiot those are shia reciters and they aren't famous like you think they are.

The vid you posted of Ahmed al Muhaisany is in Shia mosque in Qatif as it says in the description box and his title is "الرادود" which is shia reciter who sings during ceremonial shia event as it says in the vid but it's not my problem if you don't know Arabic just don't be a stupid who thinks he knows everything.

So are these Shia aswell?

 

[Awdalite]

@Haragwaafi

The evidence you asked for:

Imam Shafi'i on the nature of Bid'ah
قالَ الإمامُ الشَّافِعيُّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ "الْمُحْدَثَاتُ مِنَ الأُمورِ ضَرْبَانِ أَحَدُهُما ما أُحْدِثَ مِمَّا يُخالِفُ كِتابًا أو سُنَّةً أو إِجْماعًا أوْ أَثَرًا فَهَذِهِ البِدْعَةُ الضَّلالةُ والثَّانِيَةُ ما أُحْدِثَ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ ولا يُخالِفُ كِتابًا أوْ سُنَّةً أَو إِجْماعًا وهَذِهِ مُحْدَثَةٌ غَيْرُ مَذْمُومَةٍ" رواهُ البَيْهَقِيُّ بالإسْنادِ الصَّحيحِ في كِتابِهِ مَناقِبُ الشَّافِعِيِّ

Not all innovations are bad. Some innovations are praiseworthy depending on the intention so it is inconsequential whether at what time period it was done. Imam Al Shafi'is statement is clear.

The Ulama who supported it:

1. Al Hafidh Al Suyuti:
قال: «عندي أن أصل عمل المولد الذي هو اجتماع الناس وقراءة ما تيسر من القرآن ورواية الأخبار الواردة في مبدأ أمر النبي وما وقع في مولده من الآيات ثم يمد لهم سماط يأكلونه وينصرفون من غير زيادة على ذلك هو من البدع الحسنة التي يثاب عليها صاحبها لما فيه من تعظيم قدر النبي وإظهار الفرح والاستبشار بمولده الشريف
حسن المقصد في عمل المولد

2. Al Hafidh Ibn Hajr Al 'Asqalani, the most renowned scholar of Hadith:
قال الحافظ السيوطي: «وقد سئل شيخ الإسلام حافظ العصر أبو الفضل ابن حجر عن عمل المولد فأجاب بما نصه: أصل عمل المولد بدعة لم تنقل عن السلف الصالح من القرون الثلاثة، ولكنها مع ذلك اشتملت على محاسن وضدها، فمن تحرّى في عملها المحاسن وتجنب ضدها كانت بدعة حسنة، وقد ظهر لي تخريجها على أصل ثابت، وهو ما ثبت في الصحيحين من أن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قدم المدينة فوجد اليهود يصومون يوم عاشوراء فسألهم، فقالوا: هو يوم أغرق الله فيه فرعون، ونجى موسى، فنحن نصومه شكرا لله، فيستفاد منه فعل الشكر لله على ما من به في يوم معين من إسداء نعمة، أو دفع نقمة.. إلى أن قال: وأي نعمة أعظم من نعمة بروز هذا النبي.. نبي الرحمة في ذلك اليوم، فهذا ما يتعلق بأصل عمله، وأما ما يعمل فيه: فينبغي أن يقتصر فيه على ما يفهم الشكر لله تعالى من نحو ما تقدم من التلاوة والإطعام والصدقة وإنشاد شيء من المدائح النبوية والزهدية المحركة للقلوب إلى فعل الخير والعمل للآخرة
حسن المقصد في عمل المولد

3. Ibn al Jawzi:
«من خواصه أنه أمان في ذلك العام وبشرى عاجلة بنيل البغية والمرام»
السيرة الحلبية

These are but a few. Mawlid is a Sunnah. If you don't like it then you are from Ahlul Bidah. Anyone who doesn't respect the Prophet's birth is a danger to Muslims.

 

[Haragwaafi]

@World @TekNiKo @Angelina

they had to tone down their mass takfir to make the ideology acceptable across the muslim world.

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فمن كان ظاهره الإسلام منهم فيعامل بما يعامل به المسلم في جميع الأحكام.

The sheikh position here is we can't judge a person because we don't what's inside of them so they have to be treated as Muslims since they say they're Muslims as he said in the end of that page you posted

وأما من ظاهره لا إسلام ولا كفر بل هو جاهل, فنقول: هذا الرجل الجاهل إن كان معه الأصل الذي يدخل به الإنسان في الإسلام فهو مسلم, ولو كان جاهلا بتفاصيل دينه, فإنه ليس على عوام المسلمين

As for the one who appears to be neither Muslim nor disbeliever, but is rather ignorant, we say: If this ignorant man has the basis by which a person enters Islam, then he is a Muslim. Even if he is ignorant of the details of his religion, It is not for the common Muslims.


It's not my problem that you don't know Arabic.

 

[Haragwaafi]

So are these Shia aswell?

Have you actually saw or read what their vids says? those men are shia reciters

 

[Haragwaafi]

@Haragwaafi

The evidence you asked for:

Imam Shafi'i on the nature of Bid'ah
قالَ الإمامُ الشَّافِعيُّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ "الْمُحْدَثَاتُ مِنَ الأُمورِ ضَرْبَانِ أَحَدُهُما ما أُحْدِثَ مِمَّا يُخالِفُ كِتابًا أو سُنَّةً أو إِجْماعًا أوْ أَثَرًا فَهَذِهِ البِدْعَةُ الضَّلالةُ والثَّانِيَةُ ما أُحْدِثَ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ ولا يُخالِفُ كِتابًا أوْ سُنَّةً أَو إِجْماعًا وهَذِهِ مُحْدَثَةٌ غَيْرُ مَذْمُومَةٍ" رواهُ البَيْهَقِيُّ بالإسْنادِ الصَّحيحِ في كِتابِهِ مَناقِبُ الشَّافِعِيِّ

Not all innovations are bad. Some innovations are praiseworthy depending on the intention so it is inconsequential whether at what time period it was done. Imam Al Shafi'is statement is clear.

The Ulama who supported it:

1. Al Hafidh Al Suyuti:
قال: «عندي أن أصل عمل المولد الذي هو اجتماع الناس وقراءة ما تيسر من القرآن ورواية الأخبار الواردة في مبدأ أمر النبي وما وقع في مولده من الآيات ثم يمد لهم سماط يأكلونه وينصرفون من غير زيادة على ذلك هو من البدع الحسنة التي يثاب عليها صاحبها لما فيه من تعظيم قدر النبي وإظهار الفرح والاستبشار بمولده الشريف
حسن المقصد في عمل المولد

2. Al Hafidh Ibn Hajr Al 'Asqalani, the most renowned scholar of Hadith:
قال الحافظ السيوطي: «وقد سئل شيخ الإسلام حافظ العصر أبو الفضل ابن حجر عن عمل المولد فأجاب بما نصه: أصل عمل المولد بدعة لم تنقل عن السلف الصالح من القرون الثلاثة، ولكنها مع ذلك اشتملت على محاسن وضدها، فمن تحرّى في عملها المحاسن وتجنب ضدها كانت بدعة حسنة، وقد ظهر لي تخريجها على أصل ثابت، وهو ما ثبت في الصحيحين من أن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قدم المدينة فوجد اليهود يصومون يوم عاشوراء فسألهم، فقالوا: هو يوم أغرق الله فيه فرعون، ونجى موسى، فنحن نصومه شكرا لله، فيستفاد منه فعل الشكر لله على ما من به في يوم معين من إسداء نعمة، أو دفع نقمة.. إلى أن قال: وأي نعمة أعظم من نعمة بروز هذا النبي.. نبي الرحمة في ذلك اليوم، فهذا ما يتعلق بأصل عمله، وأما ما يعمل فيه: فينبغي أن يقتصر فيه على ما يفهم الشكر لله تعالى من نحو ما تقدم من التلاوة والإطعام والصدقة وإنشاد شيء من المدائح النبوية والزهدية المحركة للقلوب إلى فعل الخير والعمل للآخرة
حسن المقصد في عمل المولد

3. Ibn al Jawzi:
«من خواصه أنه أمان في ذلك العام وبشرى عاجلة بنيل البغية والمرام»
السيرة الحلبية

These are but a few. Mawlid is a Sunnah. If you don't like it then you are from Ahlul Bidah. Anyone who doesn't respect the Prophet's birth is a danger to Muslims.

Don't be mudalis Mawlid is not part of the Sunnah nor should it be commemorate it as the prophet ﷺ said:

عن عائشة، رضي الله عنها، قالت‏:‏ قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ ‏"‏من أحدث في أمرنا هذا ما ليس منه فهو رد‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏ متفق عليه‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏

'Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "If anyone introduces in our matter something which does not belong to it, will be rejected".

عليكم بسنتي وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين المهديين من بعدي ، تمسكوا بها وعضوا عليها بالنواجذ ، وإياكم ومحدثات الأمور ، فإن كل محدثة بدعة ، وكل بدعة ضلالة

“Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-guided caliphs who come after me. Hold fast to them and cling to them firmly. Beware of newly invented matters, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance.”

If you love the prophet ﷺ then follow his sunnah and do what he did:

Abu Qatadah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was asked about fasting on Mondays. He said, "That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I received Revelation."

 

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فمن كان ظاهره الإسلام منهم فيعامل بما يعامل به المسلم في جميع الأحكام.

The sheikh position here is we can't judge a person because we don't what's inside of them so they have to be treated as Muslims since they say they're Muslims as he said in the end of that page you posted

وأما من ظاهره لا إسلام ولا كفر بل هو جاهل, فنقول: هذا الرجل الجاهل إن كان معه الأصل الذي يدخل به الإنسان في الإسلام فهو مسلم, ولو كان جاهلا بتفاصيل دينه, فإنه ليس على عوام المسلمين

As for the one who appears to be neither Muslim nor disbeliever, but is rather ignorant, we say: If this ignorant man has the basis by which a person enters Islam, then he is a Muslim. Even if he is ignorant of the details of his religion, It is not for the common Muslims.


It's not my problem that you don't know Arabic.

(فلا ندري بجميع أحوالهم وما هم عليه, لكن الغالب على أكثرهم ما ذكرناه أولا من عدم الإسلام

so saying "most people in the muslim world arent muslim but we treat them as muslims if we see them being muslim" isnt a crazy statement?

the statement is clear. you guys like to do more ta'weel than the mu'awwilah on the ayat of sifaat when you see your sheikhs statements.

إسلام الأَكثر إسلام إسمي، فإن أَكثر المنتسبين إليه في هذا الوقت يقال لهم المسلمون إسمًا ضد اليهود والنصارى. من وجد منه ما ينقضه فإنه إسلام الإسم ولا حب ولا كرامة.


your ideologies are clear.

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[Haragwaafi]

(فلا ندري بجميع أحوالهم وما هم عليه, لكن الغالب على أكثرهم ما ذكرناه أولا من عدم الإسلام

so saying "most people in the muslim world arent muslim but we treat them as muslims if we see them being muslim" isnt a crazy statement?

the statement is clear. you guys like to do more ta'weel than the mu'awwilah on the ayat of sifaat when you see your sheikhs statements.

إسلام الأَكثر إسلام إسمي، فإن أَكثر المنتسبين إليه في هذا الوقت يقال لهم المسلمون إسمًا ضد اليهود والنصارى. من وجد منه ما ينقضه فإنه إسلام الإسم ولا حب ولا كرامة.

You aren't a scholar or an expert on this kind of issues that are reserved for knowledgeable people on fiqh and the religion.

No scholar is ever against that statement which everyone or most agree on it as we can't judge people what's their true inner beliefs is as that knowledge belongs to Allah swt only if they were born to a Muslim family or grown up in a Muslim environment but they're ignorant on their faith practices they're still considered Muslims until the Hujjah is done to them, so yes they're a lot of Muslims who "Muslims" by name only nut that doesn't mean they're "Kuffars" since they have poor knowledge about their faith.

وأما من ظاهره لا إسلام ولا كفر بل هو جاهل, فنقول: هذا الرجل الجاهل إن كان معه الأصل الذي يدخل به الإنسان في الإسلام فهو مسلم,

This Turks being street interviewed don't know the shahada because of the prevalent ignorance that exists in Turkish society should we just takfir them ??

 

[burhaan]

salafism and wahabism and any other extreme islamic sects should be banned their extremely dangerous and only harm people and only give islam bad name, be moderate sunni guys

 

[Haragwaafi]

salafism and wahabism and any other extreme islamic sects should be banned their extremely dangerous and only harm people and only give islam bad name, be moderate sunni guys

Shut up you ignorant weirdo minhaj of Salaf is the Sunnah of the prophet and the creed of the sahaba and their followers and there's no such thing as "extremism" unless you go out from the fold of Islamic ummah with deviant unislamic thoughts and practices like what the Khawaraj the Qaramda and the rafidha shia sects did who are the most extremists groups that share the name of our religion .

 

[burhaan]

Shut up you ignorant weirdo minhaj of Salaf is the Sunnah of the prophet and the creed of the sahaba and their followers and there's no such thing as "extremism" unless you go out from the fold of Islamic ummah with deviant unislamic thoughts and practices like what the Khawaraj the Qaramda and the rafidha shia sects did who are the most extremists groups that share the name of our religion .

than why is isis wahabi or salafi

 

[Haragwaafi]

than why is isis wahabi or salafi

They aren't Sunnis on the creed since their practices is similar with the Khawaraaj and the group was full of people who had littleto no knowledge on the creed of ahlu Hadith or ahlu Sunnah wa Ja'maa and similar groups like them all emerged or were inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian thinker Sayid Qutub works who was an Ashar'ri as are majority of Muslim Brotherhoods.

 

[reer]

They aren't Sunnis on the creed since their practices is similar with the Khawaraaj and the group was full of people who had littleto no knowledge on the creed of ahlu Hadith or ahlu Sunnah wa Ja'maa and similar groups like them all emerged or were inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian thinker Sayid Qutub works who was an Ashar'ri as are majority of Muslim Brotherhoods.

they are known as salafi jihadis.

ما في الكويت إلا مشرك، أو أخو المشرك،
There is no one in Kuwait except a mushrik, or the brother of a mushrik.

ص376 - كتاب الدرر السنية في الأجوبة النجدية - كتاب الحج - المكتبة الشاملة

ص376 - كتاب الدرر السنية في الأجوبة النجدية - كتاب الحج - المكتبة الشاملة

shamela.ws

@World

 

[Haragwaafi]

they are known as salafi jihadis.

ما في الكويت إلا مشرك، أو أخو المشرك،
There is no one in Kuwait except a mushrik, or the brother of a mushrik.

ص376 - كتاب الدرر السنية في الأجوبة النجدية - كتاب الحج - المكتبة الشاملة

ص376 - كتاب الدرر السنية في الأجوبة النجدية - كتاب الحج - المكتبة الشاملة

shamela.ws

@World

"salafi jihadists" who are inspired by the works of the ikhwani sayid qutub kkk

Kuwait in the old times didn't have a good reputation among the clerics in the peninsula

 

[reer]

"salafi jihadists" who are inspired by the works of the ikhwani sayid qutub kkk

Kuwait in the old times didn't have a good reputation among the clerics in the peninsula

isis are more salafi than AQ. they arent surooris like pro-ikhwani salafi sheikhs of egypt.
do asharis teach usul thalatha by miaw? here is them teaching kids usul thalatha.
isis didnt express the mass takfir of major "salafi" sheikhs.



teaching other "salafi" books