Darfur Independence

[Scipio Africanus]

Interesting watch, the conflict in Darfur is not fuelled by religious differences as claimed in this video, since Non-Arab Darfurians are mainly Muslims. Thus, the conflict is purely a ethno-racial one between Arabs vs Non-Arabs.

Darfur could potentially become the latest region to split from Sudan. due to the latest escalation in violence in Darfur.

 

[World]

I have quite a few friends from Darfur, none of them ever expressed wanting to separate from Sudan. Probably because it’s a Muslim region unlike South Sudan. @Asaana thoughts?

 

[Scipio Africanus]

I have quite a few friends from Darfur, none of them ever expressed wanting to separate from Sudan. Probably because it’s a Muslim region unlike South Sudan. @Asaana thoughts?

I've seen some Darfurians on the interwebz express desire for independence. Arab Supremacist violence in Sudan will further push Darfurian Muslims towards the path of independence.

Tbh, Sudan is better off just splitting up into a purely Arab state and let the remainder of Non-Arabs rule over themselves. No point wasting money and lives to force Arabization.

 

[World]

I've seen some Darfurians on the interwebz express desire for independence. Arab Supremacist violence in Sudan will further push Darfurian Muslims towards the path of independence.

Darfur is historically and culturally Sudanese, they’re Muslims and speak Arabic as a lingua franca. It’s not like South Sudan which was incorporated into North Sudan due to the British. They’re more similar to the Beja.

 

[Asaana]

I have quite a few friends from Darfur, none of them ever expressed wanting to separate from Sudan. Probably because it’s a Muslim region unlike South Sudan. @Asaana thoughts?

Maybe some Masalit but generally speaking you're more likely to come across non-Darfurian Sudanis that want to see Darfur secede.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Maybe some Masalit but generally speaking you're more likely to come across non-Darfurian Sudanis that want to see Darfur secede.

I'm guessing the Arab Sudanese wish to see Darfur secede because they don't want to share a State with Non-Arabs?

 

[Asaana]

I'm guessing the Arab Sudanese wish to see Darfur secede because they don't want to share a State with Non-Arabs?

No, if anything they hate Arab Darfurians more than the non-Arab ones since they're blamed for the disastrous Mahdi war as well as the role they're playing in the ongoing one.

 

[Asaana]

And it's not just Sudanese Arabs that have a problem with Darfur. I've recently seen two Bejas on twitter ganging up against a Darfurian, telling him that his worthless people have nothing to do with Sudanese civilization or culture. Also seen many anti-Darfur content made by Nubians.

 

[World]

Interesting watch, the conflict in Darfur is not fuelled by religious differences as claimed in this video, since Non-Arab Darfurians are mainly Muslims. Thus, the conflict is purely a ethno-racial one between Arabs vs Non-Arabs.

Darfur could potentially become the latest region to split from Sudan. due to the latest escalation in violence in Darfur.

I think the Darfur conflict isn’t ethno racial one, it’s a tribal conflict and between nomads and farmers. It’s mainly internal. Darfur won’t solve its problems with secession. They’ll just be another failed state worse than Somalia.

 

[Asaana]

I think the Darfur conflict isn’t ethno racial one, it’s a tribal conflict and between nomads and farmers. It’s mainly internal. Darfur won’t solve its problems with secession. They’ll just be another failed state worse than Somalia.

And unlike Somalia they won't have a coastline. Their only port access will be via Sudan unless they wanna cross the Sahara for Libya.

 

[World]

And unlike Somalia they won't have a coastline. Their only available port will be Sudan unless they wanna cross the Sahara for Libya.

Darfur independence won’t end their problems, it will just create more problems. Rebel groups from marginalised communities wanting independence from the new Darfur state will form, fight against the government(who will even lead this new divided country?), and the cycle of violence will continue.

It seems like those advocating for Darfur independence are those from Sudan who see the region as a net negative that is infecting the rest of the country with tribalism, not Darfurians. They don’t care if a new Darfur will fail, they just want to get rid of the problems they believe that the region brings.

 

[Khaem]

I've seen some Darfurians on the interwebz express desire for independence. Arab Supremacist violence in Sudan will further push Darfurian Muslims towards the path of independence.

Tbh, Sudan is better off just splitting up into a purely Arab state and let the remainder of Non-Arabs rule over themselves. No point wasting money and lives to force Arabization.

Let the cushites in the east form their own state. Beja by 2030 Inshallah

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Let the cushites in the east form their own state. Beja by 2030 Inshallah

To my knowledge, Beja people are happy with sharing a state with Sudanese Arabs; the Bejas themselves are also heavily Arabised.

 

[Khaem]

To my knowledge, Beja people are happy with sharing a state with Sudanese Arabs; the Bejas themselves are also heavily Arabised.

First Sabeans yemenis in the Highlands and now arabs in sudan.
Bantus in Tanzania & Kenya.

I have a final solution to this expansion into Cushitic lands but I'm not sure if I'm strong enough to do it

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

The Ikwani regime was beter, another reason to never rebel against a ruler.

 

[repo]

And it's not just Sudanese Arabs that have a problem with Darfur. I've recently seen two Bejas on twitter ganging up against a Darfurian, telling him that his worthless people have nothing to do with Sudanese civilization or culture. Also seen many anti-Darfur content made by Nubians.

What is special about Darfur, is it resource rich?

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

How big is the population of darfur region and can they become a viable state @Asaana

 

[Asaana]

What is special about Darfur, is it resource rich?

Nothing really special about it, not resource rich relative to the rest of Sudan.

How big is the population of darfur region and can they become a viable state @Asaana

About 9.5m, so like 20% of Sudan's population.

Maybe if they stopped fighting each other, but they'd likely be very poor as Darfur would practically be a double-landlocked country. Access to water for drinking and agriculture is also an issue.

 

[Nilotic]

Darfur is historically and culturally Sudanese, they’re Muslims and speak Arabic as a lingua franca. It’s not like South Sudan which was incorporated into North Sudan due to the British. They’re more similar to the Beja.

Darfur only became part of Sudan in 1916, as a consequence of the Anglo-Egyptian Condominium.

The Baggara/Aballa Arabs introduced Arabic to Darfur when they arrived there in the 14th and 18th Centuries.

The Dinka left North Sudan (Gezira) and migrated into South Sudan in the 13th and 15th Centuries; the Dinka were in Sudan for thousands of years and interacted extensively with historical Sudanese kingdoms, like the Funj Sultanate (1504-1821) long before the British arrived.

The British only formalised us into (an ill-considered and flawed union) with groups that we already had long been in contact with.

Gezira

 

[waffl3r]

First Sabeans yemenis in the Highlands and now arabs in sudan.
Bantus in Tanzania & Kenya.

I have a final solution to this expansion into Cushitic lands but I'm not sure if I'm strong enough to do it View attachment 284068

Why do you care about this cushitic nonsense?