Dangers of Decentralization

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Thegoodshepherd

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This article highlights some of the dangers associated with decentralization. In this analysis, "decentralization" is taken to be the "pure" decentralization of fiscal federalism theory, that is, a system in which pure local governments raise pure local taxes and undertake pure local expenditures without the benefit of central government transfers. This is not a very realistic model, but it is the one used in the pro-decentralization theory, and it is useful for analytical purposes.
This article basically gives you a base you can use to understand the problems with federalism in general. Somalia is a federal state and will face problems it never had to face as a centralized republic.

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/218141468739288067/pdf/multi-page.pdf
 
Federal states 'S plans must go side on side with the national interest of the country and central government. Being federal state would not give card Blanche to do whatever you want.
 
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Thegoodshepherd

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TGS is the gatekeeper of federalism. Let's await his reasoning. We Puntlanders are freethinkers, you should see our debates :whew:
I am totally in favor of federalism, but it is also fact that Somalia is too small for federalism to be effective. I would be pro centralization if qabil was not a factor in Somali politics.

It is good to sometimes think about the downsides of the things you want. It is obvious that taxing a truck going from Bosaso to Kismayo 5x is crazy! We sacrificed economic opportunies in favor of security when we choose to federalize the country.

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Apollo

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Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Bosnia, Iraq, UAE, Nepal, Malaysia are small to medium sized federal states doing fine.
 

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This article basically gives you a base you can use to understand the problems with federalism in general. Somalia is a federal state and will face problems it never had to face as a centralized republic.

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/218141468739288067/pdf/multi-page.pdf
Finally brothers in REASON at last:friendhug:



The most hawkish of all danger is that amongst those is in future militarised states, imagine tutuHG militarised state after Arms embargo lifted, War started in Mudug and will always be the war that continues until it stops.

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Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Bosnia, Iraq, UAE, Nepal, Malaysia are small to medium sized federal states doing fine.
Nepal is just a bunch of buddhist hippies, not comparable to Somalia.

Belgium, Switzerland and Austria are the exact opposite of Somalia in every single way.

Iraq is in a war with itself.

UAE is a federation of absolute Monarchy that were propped up by their wealth.

And finally Malaysia is miles ahead of Somalia.



The fact that this was your best arguement is itself an arguement against what you were arguing for:icon lol:
 

Apollo

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Nepal is just a bunch of buddhist hippies, not comparable to Somalia.

Belgium, Switzerland and Austria are the exact opposite of Somalia in every single way.

Iraq is in a war with itself.

UAE is a federation of absolute Monarchy that were propped up by their wealth.

And finally Malaysia is miles ahead of Somalia.



The fact that this was your best argument is itself an argument against what you were arguing for:icon lol:
The underlying idea was that it can work, not that those countries have to be like Somalia.

Iraq is probably the closest to Somalia in terms of problems and they opted for this system.
 

Thegoodshepherd

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Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Bosnia, Iraq, UAE, Nepal, Malaysia are small to medium sized federal states doing fine.
Belgium has zero political stability and is too rich a country along with Austria, Switzerland and the UAE to compare to Somalia. Bosnia anD Iraq are failed states. Malaysia is composed of centuries old sultanates, its federal states are former countries. Nepal is a country to watch.
 

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Nepal is just a bunch of buddhist hippies, not comparable to Somalia.

Belgium, Switzerland and Austria are the exact opposite of Somalia in every single way.

Iraq is in a war with itself.

UAE is a federation of absolute Monarchy that were propped up by their wealth.

And finally Malaysia is miles ahead of Somalia.



The fact that this was your best arguement is itself an arguement against what you were arguing for:icon lol:
As if the centralised countries aren't light years ahead of Somalia. Dumb argument.
 

Apollo

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Iraq is the only other country in the world that had a recent total reset like Somalia. So, it's probably a necessity in situations like those.
 
The underlying idea was that it can work, not that those countries have to be like Somalia.

Iraq is probably the closest to Somalia in terms of problems and they opted for this system.
Iraq is in a perpetual war against itself be it Kurds vs Arabs or Sunni vs Shias. Soon the Kurds themselves are going to vote on whether they're going to leave Iraq and they account for most of the economy at this point.

Iraq is the example of another disaster a la Somalia, not an example of something to strive towards.
The underlying idea was that it can work, not that those countries have to be like Somalia.
Well if you read the document of course it can work. But it can't work everywhere which is what the document is about.

The document lays out dozens of dozens of factors at play where decentralization can occur and the negatives that can be accompanied. And if you had read it I will assure you that most of them will bring your mind back to Somalia. Whether it be the rampant local corruption, differing unsustainable economic policies leading to the very currency issue Somalia is facing or the fact that decentralization itself is very prone to instability especially if there are no strong institutions.



You can atleast read it before calling it "suugo science".
 

Apollo

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Well if you read the document of course it can work. But it can't work everywhere which is what the document is about.

The document lays out dozens of dozens of factors at play where decentralization can occur and the negatives that can be accompanied. And if you had read it I will assure you that most of them will bring your mind back to Somalia. Whether it be the rampant local corruption, differing unsustainable economic policies leading to the very currency issue Somalia is facing or the fact that decentralization itself is very prone to instability especially if there are no strong institutions.

You can atleast read it before calling it "suugo science".
The World Bank is a neoliberal mouthpiece for the US deep state. They aren't always correct.
 
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