Could Somalia be self sufficient with Galbeed and NFD
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Koonfur alone could feed all of Somalia. We were self-sufficient in the 70s before the World Bank/IMF
I think that's largely a myth. Somalia is insanely resource poor
I don't understand what you mean by that ? You mean we have no agricultural lands or that we dont know how to grow it ?
No he is right. I don't have the texts but Idilinaa has talked before about Somalia being on its way to being food self sufficient in the 70s and 80s. Currently regions like Galmudug are seeing growth in agriculture so even central Somalia has plenty of farmland to use.
I’ve previously covered how Galmudug has transitioned toward self-sufficiency in food production. While they used to import from Hiraan or Shabelle, they now largely supply their own grains and produce locally:
Galmudug’s Farms and Progress towards self sufficiency
Galmudug markets rarely ever import food from hiiran and both Shabelle regions anymore. Local farms in Galmudug for the past few years with the support of Galmudug’s ministry of agriculture and projects sponsored by donors/World bank,etc, managed to grow all sorts of crop ranging from onions...www.somalispot.com
Sanaag and Sool are also seeing an agricultural resurgence. Farmers there are growing more local produce
and they also cultivate extensively coffee and olives in the cal madow mountains now. So in an interesting twist coffee cultivation is making a comeback. But they are asking for better road infrastructure to deliver them to the city and town markets.
Coffee grows in Calmadow chain, Laasqoray District
The temperature is suitable for growing all sorts of things from Coffee to Qaat the community is a GDP maker in the making we must connect the mountains to the mainland. Deegaanka Mirciwww.somalispot.com
Somali coffee farmers vexed by poor roads and transport in mountain areas of Sanag
(ERGO) - Rough terrain and impassable roads are reducing profits for small scale Somali coffee farmers in Sanag region. Theradioergo.org
Puntland and Bari in particular they now produce most of their own crops locally when they used to import them from the south according to the agricultural minister
rvations-analysis/
Puntland’s Agriculture Sector: Transitory Observations, Analysis - Puntland Mirror Believable Media Website
Historically, agriculture is not something Somalia’s state of Puntland is famed for nor associated with. Among Somalis, these are lands known as the country’s barren lands; its desert. There might be a grain of truth in that, as when compared to some of the country’s riverine Southern provinces...puntlandmirror.net
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Aside from Bari farms, the extensive farm area he mentioned at the end on the outskirts of Garow is located near the southern river bed.
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I am glad they actually dispelled a lot of inaccuracies about Northeastern regions geography. I tried to the same in that agricultural land area thread
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The big picture is this. Most Somali regions now produce the majority of their food locally, and markets across the country from Bosaso to Dhuusamareeb, are full of local food.
There’s no real shortage in most areas. I remember @Shimbiris mentioned when he visited Bosaso, locals told him it’s rare for anyone in Puntland to go hungry.
Apparently most farmlands in the south were destroyed in the floods
Google says the Tana, Juba and Shabelle river has a combined discharge of about 14.5 billion m³. Maybe enough for grain self sufficiency in perfect circumstances?
Sorghum:
To produce 5.075 million tons (145 kg/person × 35M people):
Water=5.075 Mt×1,500–2,167 m3/t = 7.6–11.0 billion m³.
Water=1.575 Mt×3,000–4,000 m3/t=4.7–6.3 billion m³.
Total water needed for grains:
7.6–11.0 (sorghum)+4.7–6.3 (maize)=12.3–17.3 billion m³.
That would be about 1650kcal/day per person for 35 million. But, this is a perfect scenario not realistic and our diet would need to be majority sorghum
Sorghum:
- Yield: 6 tons/ha.
- Net water: 4,500–6,500 m³/ha.
- Gross water (50% efficiency): 9,000–13,000 m³/ha (~1,500–2,167 m³/ton)
To produce 5.075 million tons (145 kg/person × 35M people):
Water=5.075 Mt×1,500–2,167 m3/t = 7.6–11.0 billion m³.
Maize:- Yield: 4 tons/ha.
- Net water: 6,000–8,000 m³/ha.
- Gross water (50% efficiency): 12,000–16,000 m³/ha (~3,000–4,000 m³/ton
Water=1.575 Mt×3,000–4,000 m3/t=4.7–6.3 billion m³.
Total water needed for grains:
7.6–11.0 (sorghum)+4.7–6.3 (maize)=12.3–17.3 billion m³.
That would be about 1650kcal/day per person for 35 million. But, this is a perfect scenario not realistic and our diet would need to be majority sorghum
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Idilinaa
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It wasn't on its way . in the 1970s and 80s, Somalia was virtually self-sufficient in food production. Agriculture wasn’t just practiced in the South either back then.
There’s a difference between commercial and subsistence agriculture. Commercial is what you export, particularly surplus production, while subsistence is what you grow for local consumption.
It’s not just Galmudug , Somaliland and Puntland also grow their own food, and SSC is beginning to recover its food production capacity as well.
I’ve previously covered how Galmudug has transitioned toward self-sufficiency in food production. While they used to import from Hiraan or Shabelle, they now largely supply their own grains and produce locally:
Galmudug’s Farms and Progress towards self sufficiency
Galmudug markets rarely ever import food from hiiran and both Shabelle regions anymore. Local farms in Galmudug for the past few years with the support of Galmudug’s ministry of agriculture and projects sponsored by donors/World bank,etc, managed to grow all sorts of crop ranging from onions...www.somalispot.com
Sanaag and Sool are also seeing an agricultural resurgence. Farmers there are growing more local produce
and they also cultivate extensively coffee and olives in the cal madow mountains now. So in an interesting twist coffee cultivation is making a comeback. But they are asking for better road infrastructure to deliver them to the city and town markets.
Coffee grows in Calmadow chain, Laasqoray District
The temperature is suitable for growing all sorts of things from Coffee to Qaat the community is a GDP maker in the making we must connect the mountains to the mainland. Deegaanka Mirciwww.somalispot.comSomali coffee farmers vexed by poor roads and transport in mountain areas of Sanag
(ERGO) - Rough terrain and impassable roads are reducing profits for small scale Somali coffee farmers in Sanag region. The
Puntland and Bari in particular they now produce most of their own crops locally when they used to import them from the south according to the agricultural minister
rvations-analysis/Puntland’s Agriculture Sector: Transitory Observations, Analysis - Puntland Mirror Believable Media Website
Historically, agriculture is not something Somalia’s state of Puntland is famed for nor associated with. Among Somalis, these are lands known as the country’s barren lands; its desert. There might be a grain of truth in that, as when compared to some of the country’s riverine Southern provinces...
Aside from Bari farms, the extensive farm area he mentioned at the end on the outskirts of Garow is located near the southern river bed.
BEERAHA JIBIGALE | GAROOWE | PUNTLAND | SOOMAALIYA
BEERAHA JIBIGALE | GAROOWE | PUNTLAND | SOOMAALIYA
I am glad they actually dispelled a lot of inaccuracies about Northeastern regions geography. I tried to the same in that agricultural land area thread
While only southern Somalia, Ogaden, and NFD, due to their river systems, can support large-scale commercial farming, every region has the capacity to feed its own local population.
@GemState you can read this thread. I go over it in more detail and explain that most areas in Somalia are food secure. Food insecurity is mostly concentrated among displaced people affected by climate disasters who require food aid because they’ve lost the ability to purchase food on the local market:
How fast can we stop relying on Food aid?
Western-Somaliland has a massive intensively cultivated landmass and extending into Fafan zone. Togdheer, Sanaag, Sool, Bari, Western Mudug and Western Galgaduud I don't know how they could grow their food. I suspect these regions import most of their grain. Here there aren't enough regions...
www.somalispot.com
Mohamedamiin120
Marxist-Leninist, OG.
Somalia would be self sufficient with Galbeed and would indeed be a major exporter, but we would also be self sufficient with Konfoor. It is only due to our prime agricultural land being occupied by AS or being on the front line against AS.
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Idilinaa
VIP
This actually supports what @Zak12 was saying the chart shows Somalia produced far more than it imported, and very little of it was aid, right up until 1991. That’s especially remarkable considering 1988 was a time of war, and food supplies from the south to the north for the refugee population were cut off.
It also leaves out the major agricultural recovery that’s taken place since around 2015, which I go into more detail about in that thread I linked earlier."
Some sources on this , Somalia was practically self-sufficient well into the late 80s and was experiencing increase in production and surpluses.
Because before 1990 like you said Somali government regulated the market and encouraged domestic food crop produce
"As a result , sorghum production increased 87 percent ... As a result in years of adequate rainfall, Somalia was largely self-sufficient in maize and sorghum"
They actually estimated the rural subsistence food sector in 1978 after the Ogaden War and Somalia was virtually self-sufficient.
"Somalia's rural subsistence sector produced sufficient grain and animal products(mostly milk) to sustain the country's growing population, including it's massive refugee population"
It's largely due to the government prioritizing food security and domestic production for local food consumption rather than export/import driven agricultural policy in the immediate sense.
Some information NorthWestern Somalia food production:
Military government agricultural investments, a significant portion of it is drawn from local revenues which exceeded the FDI of the former regime.
They set up cooperative farms in the arable land in the high plateau of Waaqoyi Galbeed (Gabiley, Borama, Hargeisa districts)
They also updated people with modern equipment tractors, centers, offices, garages and they created grain storage's, the surpluses that remained they stashed away .
These farms experienced successive years of surplus production.
Idilinaa
VIP
Gabiley mentioned in those sources today is pretty much the breadbasket of Somaliland
GABILEY SIGHTSEEING | Somaliland Tours | Somaliland Travel & Tours Agency
somalilandtours.com
I produces 85% of Somalilands food supplies.
Can't find post 2015 numbers. Send
Idilinaa
VIP
Same , i looked through the most recent reports couldn't find a chart that shows after 2015, they all use outdated stats, and numbers and they also generalizes a lot when it varies.
But i know the increase of individual crop numbers and regional production increases in recent years.
